Can you make a living farming?

   / Can you make a living farming? #11  
There's not a simple answer to that question. What kind of farm is your uncle running? What kind of farming are you interesting in? If you find the proper niche in the proper area, you can make some money, but I wouldn't want to try to depend on it, at least not at first. I'd want to have an off farm income while you're starting up your farm. And that makes it that much harder.

My wife and I have a dairy goat farm. We also raise fiber sheep, and sell free range eggs. My wife works the farm full time, and I still have my day job. Soemtimes I wonder why we do it, we'd have a much better income if we both worked "regular" full time jobs. And farming is a 24 hour job, if you are thinking of livestock farming. If you're milking, you have to milk twice/day, no matter what. You don't go away on vacation or spend much time away from the farm. You do it because you love it. If you're lucky, you may make some money at it.

My wife and I love our farm, but sometimes, we think we're nuts. Maybe we are.
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #12  
in short yes people do it all the time making aliving farming.
is it hard of course it is.
can it be done sure.
look at it as a business not as something you want to do because of your family history.
Look at it from a business point of view and see if it all adds up for you. Do some market research for your area and see what sells.
Organics do really well for alot of the markets. Selling direct to consumers eliminates the middle man. (think CSA Community Supported Agriculture)

I would mentor part time with someone first before leaving my day job.
that way you are playing with someone elses money not yours. Sometimes you have a bad year and loose it all. Are you willing to take that risk? I would start by mentoring and putting away some of your income you make now for a reserve. After two years of mentoring you can see if you are still gungho about the whole ordeal. And by then you should have your business plan written out and your marketing info, demographics, and sales pitch down. You will also have learned enough mentoring about how to plant, grow, seed, transplant, pick, sell, when to, how to, and more.

Just use common sense and don't jump into anything is all I can say. It can be done. I wish you luck on your journey no matter where it may lead you :)
 
   / Can you make a living farming?
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#13  
Thanks for all the comments. I know in reality I'll have to keep my day job for a while. What got me thinking about it more was the current low land prices, but then again my place is worth less now too.

Hey, living your dream part time is still living your dream right!!
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #14  
My cousin has 3,200 acres near Prince Albert, Sask that she and her husband grow canola on. They make a living at it, but it's all about saving and living on very little until you know what you are going to get for next years crop. She also works in town so they will have steady income, plus their two boys are free labor. While it sounds like a nice life, the few times that I've been there was enough to realize it's not for me.

I agree with the others who suggested finding a niche market. Veggie gardens turn a profit if you put the time into them and sell the produce yourself. There is a guy on one of the local highways that parks his truck at the same place every day with sacks of stuff in it from his garden. Every day, that truck is sitting there all day long. I've never driven by without seeing at lease one car stopped next to him. I have no idea what he makes from this, but I do admire his commitment and like to believe that he's making enough from it to make it worthwhile.

There was a show on HGTV a few years ago called the Good Life. It was about people who quit the corporate world and moved out to the country to pursue their dream doing what they wanted. Some started vineyards, others opened Bread and Breakfast's. The one that stands out to me was a lady who started growing Lavender plants. I don't remember how many acres she had, it wasn't huge, but it was almost all covered in Lavender. She was selling it in just about every form possible. She had it for sale online, along the road and in stores. She cut it , bottled it, wrapped it and made soap out of it. The list just went on and on. It was impressive. Again, I have no idea what type of money she made from this, but it looked like she was turning a decent profit.

If it's your passion and what you want to do, then come up with a business plan. If you can put it down on paper and answer all the questions that you need for a good business plan, then you have a chance of succeeding. I think that the reason most people fail is a lack of preparation and research. A good plan will require learning about all aspects of what it will take to make a business successful. If you want to grow something, figure out what sells, what it takes to produce it, process it and sell it. If there is a profit at the end of that, then you have to decide if that's enough to live on. Most of the time you'll find that it's not enough of a profit to make it worthwhile.

You have this one life. I was also in a dead end job that paid good, had excellent benefits and required very little effort on my part. After awhile I became bored with it, and then I fell into a rut of just working all the time. It was a shock to realize that I didn't know what fun was anymore and that I didn't have a life. I had work and I had vacation to escape work. One day, I decided to quite and find something else to do. It took a few years longer then I had thought it would, but it was the smartest thing I ever did. Maybe one of the hardest too, but it was definitely worth it. There were a few yeas that I barely made enough money to feed myself and had to rely on a credit card for gasoline. I had one month where I had $300 in the bank and nothing lined up, no calls for jobs and bills for more then that due at the end of the month. I got lucky and the phone rang with a job. I was close to desperate, and did that job pretty cheap to make sure I had some cash. That led to another job and it's been pretty steady since then. I'm still three to four months out from being unemployed, but I've gotten used to that part of being self employed. There is some stress to not knowing if I'll have any income after I do the jobs that I have booked. I don't know if farming will be the same, worse or better. I do know that there is a level of stress that comes with creating your own income when compared to working for others that isn't comparable. You will need to be motivated to go out and create that income.

I know guys that are very talented with amazing skills, but lack the motivation to get work when things are slow. If the crops are down, if the rain doesn't come, and if the price for what you produce is low, what will yo do to pay the bills? You will need a backup plan. Those guys just sit at home waiting for the phone to ring. If you are the very best at what you do, that still doesn't guarantee you an income. You have to be good, motivated and able to sell yourself.

Good luck, it's always going to be what you make of it. Nobody else can change that.

Eddie
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #15  
Eddie just about summed it up... of all self employment opportunities, it's my guess that farming is among the riskiest.... I have worked for others and I have been self employed.... When I talk to others that are considering self employment, one of the first things I tell them is: "The really great thing about being self employed is that you get to choose which 70-hours a week that you get to work." I didn't invent that saying but I'm here to tell you that it's true. I was also told that when starting your own business, plan on eating a lot of beans for the first couple of years, which is also true.
My advice? Proceed with caution... Do you have the type of job where it would be easy to re-enter the market should farming fail? Failure is a big probability. Good luck.
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #16  
I heard it a little differently. When you are self employed, you only work half the day, you even get to pick which 12 hours that you work!!!

I'll add to that with it's a seven day work week. I spend hours every night and weekend doing paperwork, writing bids, drawing plans and figuring out materials. I do this with the TV on, while surfing the net and talking with my wife and kids. It's not all work, but it has to be done almost daily.

Eddie
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #17  
You wanna make a million farming, start with two. :)

In some segments of this industry, the start up costs are P H E N O M E N A L.

Look for success in niche markets, know your risk and stress levels well, understand your customer wants, needs and desires. Prepare an escape plan. Know how far you are willing to go to make it work and if your failing, understand your point of no return. Think with your head, not your heart.
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #18  
Organics do sell... but it takes 3 years to get certified, you can't use most/all pesticides/herbicides so your yields are lower etc. Sells for more but appears to require a much higher labor input. 'Commercial' farms use 'commercial production techniques' for a reason.

I toyed with the idea of growing for farmers market and did a fair amount of research. The biggest issue is the time commitment. Some stuff has to be harvested almost daily. You need to be at market every weekend and most people it seems try to add a weekday market as well to increase their sales and deal with the produce they have to harvest during the week. If you don't have anything else to do on the weekends this might be for you. You have to be up early on market day to harvest that stuff that wilts fast, get it cleaned up, loaded and off to market to set up your booth. I settled on having a big garden where I can play around growing certain crops in volume. I take the harvest to the local foodbank once a week. Has given me a good idea of what it takes to grow in volume and we always have vegetables 'ready' for dinner. ;)

Lavender is a niche market and seems to be potentially profitable. There is a lady down the street that is starting a Lavender business. IIRC she told me that it takes 5 years for the plants to come into full production. They are essentially retired and I believe sold off farmland so likely are not dependent on it for income. He also owns a tractor salvage business so still works.

Garlic is another niche market that is supposed to do pretty well. I grow 100+ plants each year. The one thing I like about garlic is the labor is split up. You plant in the fall and harvest in the spring. I have taken to saving my leaves I mow up in the Fall and I mulch the garlic in the spring about 3" deep. This really cuts down on the weeding. You do need some kind of open drying shed though.

Both Lavender and garlic probably need to be processed into a 'value-added' product. to maximize your income.
 
   / Can you make a living farming?
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#19  
Great comments again. I actually had my own retail business years ago and was "lucky" to only work between 70 and 80 hours a week so I know what it's like. I had to cut the darned grass in the dark since I was never home between 8am and 10 pm.

You know, I had forgotten, I do have a niche business plan for herb growing and I'm in the grocery business so I have all sorts of contacts out there. I also know where the sales volumes of this sort of thing are greatest. There are a couple of big US companies making a good go of this but nobody in Canada is doing it "the US way" at all - everybody here is doing this "mickey mouse".

I'm going to dust it off and update it. My wife and I were going to start it part time and see where it went. We have all the start up stuff so costs would be very low and we already have a greenhouse.

I will keep you all posted.
 
   / Can you make a living farming? #20  
I farm on the side. My brother and I farm about 1500 acres. My parents have about 600 acres, I own 300 acres, and my bother has about 600 acres. We both have other jobs that will generate more income than from farming. About 50% of farmers have another job. The wife will often have another job as well. It is nearly impossible to start from scratch. The investment is just too high for the return from scratch. Most farmers have some land that was either inherited or they farm with their father. The small farm continues to go away. The growing farms continue to get larger. Farmland consistenting of typical soybeans and corn probably needs to be near 1500-2000 acres for a family to make a reasonable income. Some years will be very lean and some years good. Large farms in my area will consistent of 7000-10,000 acres. Good irrigated land will cost $4500-5000/acre. I have recently heard of some excellent land going for $5500/acre. Good dry land will be $3000. Last year was the first year we bought new equipment for several years. My guess is it will be the last major purchase we do. Will probably retire from farming and rent the ground after another 10-12 years. Many farmers live poor and die rich. The survivors (children) may get rich from selling the land.
 

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