Cattle, Goats and Sheep

   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #11  
Eddie,
Running sheep and goats after horses or cattle is really good to maintain the pasture ( rotating). I'f you are looking for meat I'd go with Dorper sheep so your not having to shear them as they are self shedding. We have them and they are bread for meet and big stocky animals. They often have twins and are very good readers and lamb at anytime. They are also well suited to dryer climates as the are from South Africa. The fencing is the biggest issue though as previous posters gave suggested. You might have to go with a goat/ sheep set up with electric. You will still need to think about yarding etc, but you would be doing that with cattle anyway.
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #12  
Eddie,

Give me call when you get ready for sheep..Also I'll second the Stay Tuff Fence..I installed two miles of it years ago and it still looks new.. It's not zinc that can kill sheep..It's copper..But if you get St. Croix hair sheep you will not have a problem with excess copper...Take a look at our website..Good luck Mud Puddle Ranch
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #13  
Eddie,

Give me call when you get ready for sheep..Also I'll second the Stay Tuff Fence..I installed two miles of it years ago and it still looks new.. It's not zinc that can kill sheep..It's copper..But if you get St. Croix hair sheep you will not have a problem with excess copper...Take a look at our website..Good luck Mud Puddle Ranch

Nice website. What you are doing is impressive!
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #14  
Eddie, as others have said all 3 can get along fine, and as has been said before it is copper that is toxic to sheep, not zinc. I have goats, sheep, llamas, alpacas and mini horses together in the same pasture. I would recommend using cattle panels for the fencing. Red Brand fencing is fine, until the goats start pulling it down. I started off with that on my first farm, but now, with my second and larger farm, I have used cattle panels that are 16 feet long and 4 feet high. The goats can't pull them down, and they would hold cattle nicely, since that's what they're designed to do.

If you give them any feed, you have to make sure it's cooper free. Stock and Stable by Nutrena or All Stock by Agway are two good multi species feeds that all three can consume safely. Give them only the white salt blocks, since the mineral blocks all have copper.
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #15  
Lots of stuff here.......As a goat guy, as is, Welding is Fun......I totally agree with the need for a electric wire maybe 18 to 24 inches up to keep the goats from rubbing a huge bow in your fence. We have the TSC "red top" fence wire for sheep and goats. May 5200' all together with another 4000' or so of just 5 strand electric. Wit.h either, it's a rare day for one to go through the electric and have never had one go through the woven wire. Some goats will just get their heads stuck in a fence no matter what it is. MOST.....most.....never do...Yes you need a strand of barb or electric on top for cattle or horses; but NOT for goats.

NOW the serious part.........Parasites PARASITES.......PARASITES........for me a goat is just a critter lookin for a place to die.........truly...........YES, goat must have copper, lots of it.....Sheep, seldom. If you put out minerals for the goats, the sheep will get into it and then do poorly.... When you bring in new sheep with your goats, they will almost always have liver flukes which the goats seldom do......Guess who picks up the flukes from the sheep and then do realllllly poorly......Sheep eat closer to the ground than goats and the parasitic worms climb up what is left of the grass and the goats graze what they typically don't, usually high grass and browse; but all that is there is short grass with parasitic eggs and they eat them........

Goats, horse, cattle.....just fine......Sheep, horse, cattle.....just fine......sheep and goats with anything....NOT for me...........God bless.......Dennis
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   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #16  
I grew up on a ranch which ran goats, cattle and sheep all together in various mixes. Trace minerals are not a problem. Poisonous weeds can be. Be SURE and get sheep/goats which were born/raised locally...they will know which ones to avoid. There are numerous stories of people who import animals from elsewhere who are unaware which local weeds are poisonous and death rates can be high.
Billy goats STINK when mature...not very romantic at all. They can also become aggressive to people if you make pets out of them...don't do it...make them keep their distance from you...a foot or so...else they will butt you/anyone to find out who is tougher...and will not learn once they lose their fear of you. That said, I recommend goats ahead of sheep. They more frequently have twins or triplets. And the market for cabrito is good.

I recommend you stay with goats and/or sheep. You can manhandle them. Not so with cows...and cattle need far more infrastructure to be safe...stronger pens, higher fences, bigger trailers, a squeeze chute to doctor/manage them. Keeping a bull so you can have calves is lots of food for few calves. Getting run over by a momma cow is one time too many. Making sure you have gentle cows is harde nless you are experienced with cattle. And, even then, loading cattle into a trailer requires skill. Cattle can actually hurt you bad. Your ag exemption only requires income from farm products...cows not required.


It is VERY EASY to get too many animal units in one pasture...leading to severely degraded grass which takes years to recover. Do not overstock. One animal unit is a cow+calf or a bull or 4 sheep/goats.
You can get the county ag people to tell you how many animal units you can run, year round. You must figure this number out and stay well under the number. You are going for a picturesque setting....so beware that too many animals will give you bare ground and goats will stand on their back legs and eat as high as they can reach on brush and trees...which can be good if you want things to look like a park...or not if you wish undercover for rabbits, etc.

Basically, a fence that will hold sheep/goats will hold cattle...and using a single wire of electric fence on the inside will protect the fence. Cattle, once trained to an electric fence will stay within a single wire of electric fence...until a baby calf comes along, then it will bumble through ...

All your animals should be managed using "call up" feed to bring them into the pens/sheds....much cheaper than trying to cowboy with horses.
In our area, yours too I would wager, the only way to avoid the heartbreak of coyote/dog predation...and hog...is to put them in a tight shed at night...not just a pen.

If you go with any electric fence, get back with me...I have experience and can recommend the type of charger, insulators, and fence tester to get. In particular, I have found a fence tester which leads you directly to the problem area of a fence very fast...sooooooo much better than the 5 light fence testers.

Remember, the more pastures you have, the more water solutions you will need to install...and keep operating....and while it would seem a simple thing to keep a trough operational, they seem to malfunction multiple times a year.

Also, consider that with animals, you need to daily make sure they are OK...thus need a trusted person to watch over them when on safari!
Enjoy the adventure...much to learn..suggest you first visit somebody who has been keeping each of the target species for several years, observe their facilities and animal behavior and discuss how they handle them to doctor and sell.

Here is info on each type of fence by animal type.
Langston University Goat Research Extension
 
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#17  
I want to do some traveling like y'all before I get animals. They keep you home. Trevor is turning 13 in a week and I'd like to take him & Bernice overseas some place. I've been .... and I think they would both enjoy seeing a strange land.

Mike, did you see my album from Europe last year? https://www.facebook.com/EdwardDavi...0201359239605661.1073741825.1313824209&type=3 I've been to 37 countries and completely around the planet. This was the best trip I've done and something I would highly recommend. Being in the ship every night meant not having to pack and go to different hotels. It meant having a good meal every morning and night without worrying what you are getting or what it costs. A day was plenty to see everything we wanted to see every day.

Take a look at Cruise One for what's available and costs. CruiseOne | Dream cruise vacations start here It's where we start planning and trying to figure out what we want to see. We are still discussing what our next big trip will be. If it's a cruise, we're leaning towards Northern Europe with hopes it will be similar to what we experienced in the Mediterranean.

If there is a single country in Europe that is better then all the others, it has to be Italy. There is just so much to see there!!!!!

You only live once, go for it :)

Eddie
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #18  
Eddie--- yeah I saw your trip pics....we're not big on the idea of boats at all. I haven't visited as many countries as you have -- mine were all working/living there --3 1/2 years in Germany with time spent in Spain, Holland,and France. A year in Thailand during "that" war. Temporary duty (month at a time) in Korea, with passing through Hawaii & Guam, overnight in PI before the volcano. I've never had any interest in seeing NYC or Rome....and the guys I knew that went to Venice spent the whole time fighting off pick pockets - and their rental car got broke into. -- don't need that hassle. On the other hand - people I've talked to that have visited and lived there say China is the safest country you could ever visit. Crime rate is low because the punishment for the slightest offense is so high. Wife would like to chase her ancestry around Germany & Czechoslovakia and we can do that easy enough cause I drove around there for years so have some idea of where I'd be going and what to see. One of the places she wants to visit is 30 minutes from where I was stationed. ---China on the other hand is a culture and totally different from what we are used to seeing, tasting, experiencing. AND we have a step grandson who is a champion runner - 5k - 10k - marathon - and has been invited to run in a race in Brisbane next summer....will have to go to that one. Maybe make a trip to Bangkok, Christ Church, Brisbane, Hawaii ...and spend several days at each. I don't like the idea of 12 countries in 10 days....too much hurry....At any rate --after whatever trip we make I'll be ready to stay home til I go home ...and then I'll get a few animals to play with.
 
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#19  
China is on my bucket list!!!! Gonna make it there one of these days just to see the wall. :)

Eddie
 
   / Cattle, Goats and Sheep #20  
China is on my bucket list!!!! Gonna make it there one of these days just to see the wall. :)

Eddie
I saw a tour on some site last year that started at the wall, went on the Yangste river overnite cruise, terra cote army, a couple of other places and there was an option to end either in Shanghai or Hongkong. It was about 10 days. I'd like to go back to Bangkok just cause I think I could still talk enough to be able to get around off the regular tourist route. I'd take the wife to the main local market - if it's still there - crazy place - buy whatever you want in a maze of tiny alleys - with food vendors every 5th spot.
 

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