Chain Grade

   / Chain Grade #41  
Are sure that's correct? Even if it is, I still tie down all attachments, FEL or 3ph.
Yes. Over 10k on equipment for sure you need chain not straps. Chain every corner & all attachments separately.
 
   / Chain Grade #42  
Yes. Over 10k on equipment for sure you need chain not straps. Chain every corner & all attachments separately.

And just why is this? Last I checked, DOT required 2 for every 10k of load or even a piece of it, so 10,001 required 4 straps or 4 chains. When did it become a no strap, only chain requirement?
David from jax
 
   / Chain Grade #43  
And just why is this? Last I checked, DOT required 2 for every 10k of load or even a piece of it, so 10,001 required 4 straps or 4 chains. When did it become a no strap, only chain requirement?
David from jax
It's not, he is repeating an urban legend.
Unless you are hauling crushed cars (which require chains or cables), you can (legally) use any properly rated tiedown be it a chain, strap, cable, etc.
Wheeled loads over 10,001# do require a minimum of 4 tiedowns, plus tiedowns for the bucket (if applicable).

Aaron Z
 
   / Chain Grade #44  
After growing up with all kinds of trash chains I値l only buy grade 70 chain. I use 5/16 grade 70 for most things and 3/8 grade 70 for abusing. A 3/8 would hold back my 17,000 pound full size backhoe pulling down hill.


Interesting that you say that. I bought some Pewag grade 100 square link so i could drag some fallen trees.... also, with an industrial machine, feared that if I went down to Home Depot/ other and bought a chain it would snap in a moment.

Had father in laws International 886 (866?) with cab and heavy duty 10' Rhino mower on back side of farm.....very over grown when I got into the muck of the road side drainage ditch. Tractor sunk in up to the axle and was dead in the water (not to make a pun)

Called my wife's cousin....told him to drive the backhoe over. Wrapped the Gr-100 around the front frame of the tractor, wrapped other end around the extended backhoe and using the backhoe alone, pulled (while cousin was in gear driving) the tractor out of the muck. Actually, I wasn't straight on to the situation so it actually pulled the entire front of the tractor sideways and then, out of the mud.

Someone was watching and just stopped me to ask what "on earth" kind of chain was I using.....as he was in the metals business and was quietly laughing to himself at my futile efforts with such a small chain.... and he witnessed what it would do. He was very impressed.

Out of ignorance, I had no clue that it was doing anything noteworthy..... it's all I had to work with so it's what I used.


I use that chain for everything and when I DO need to grab a tree, log or something slick, those square links really help put the bite to it.

I can't recommend a chain like that highly enough.


Side note: I was going to find a link and post it but so far, for the life of me, can't find a link nor any reference to the kind of chain I bought. Then again, it was nearly 20 years ago, but it was 3/8" grade 100 with square links and was blue.

Here's a link for the round links (gr-100)

3/8" PEWAG G-1 Round Link Chain - G1R
 
   / Chain Grade #45  
Finally found one but don't know what the brand is.

Put a choker on one end, wrap it around your tree, axle....and pull with confidence!!

3/8"x1' Grade 1 Square Link Choker Chain (Less Hook)



Kind of a funny (to me) side story.... live near a lake. When lake level lowers during winter, the beach becomes visible. TVA doesn't like the idea of people 4-wheeling on the beach.

Going home one day, saw a truck that was on the beach.... found the muck-puddle that was there and his rear wheel went in. Truck is sitting on it's frame, wheel, axle just buried in muck.... oh, and TVA police were there. I don't know if they gave the chap a ticket or not.... but I offered to pull him out and all parties said please do.

Went home, got my backhoe & drove back. Handed the kid (must have been 19-23 years old) the end of the chain and said fasten away.... he looked at me like I was going to do it all.... I said nope, I'm not going to go (literally) "diving" into that muck to find your frame to wrap this...... you did this to yourself and you get to do the dive.

He came out looking darker than (not intended to be/sound racist) Buckwheat if you recall who Buckwheat is/was. Pulled him out in about 19 seconds. Took him much longer to attach & detach the chain than it did to pull him out.

Then, he got to get into the vehicle and muck up the interior.

As I recall, during this process.....he was lamenting that he was going to be in trouble as this was his fathers truck that he got stuck.....then.... mucked up the interior. Though I don't know, I kind of doubt that TVA wrote him any kind of ticket under the logic that he likely would be learning his entire lesson once his father got into the truck.

Oh, as I pulled him out, the truck rear lifted in the air.....which caused the front bumper to lower and act as a scoop, just packing it with all the muck he had previously been playing in.

Yeah, it was a mess.

Never seen him back either. Wonder why.
 
   / Chain Grade #46  
Yes. Over 10k on equipment for sure you need chain not straps. Chain every corner & all attachments separately.

You missed the point of the question. Look at what I bolded from your original quote:

Over a certain weight, the loader/boom has to be tied down.

I'm questioning your assertion that an attachment does not need to be tied down - unless it weighs a certain amount. I believe this to be incorrect. All attachments need to be tied down; although I cannot provide a reference for it right now.

I'm not asking 10k lbs vs whatever or about chains vs straps.
 
   / Chain Grade #47  
In Missouri all attachments need tied down regardless of size. Not sure if that's a Federal requirement.
 
   / Chain Grade #48  
Funny, the talk about growing up with garbage chain. I can relate. I still have some maybe 1/2" chain that is stretched and stands out maybe three feet or so. Must be good for something like feeding under a load! They say you can't push on a rope, but you should see this chain. lol
 
   / Chain Grade #49  
You missed the point of the question. Look at what I bolded from your original quote:

Over a certain weight, the loader/boom has to be tied down.

I'm questioning your assertion that an attachment does not need to be tied down - unless it weighs a certain amount. I believe this to be incorrect. All attachments need to be tied down; although I cannot provide a reference for it right now.

I'm not asking 10k lbs vs whatever or about chains vs straps.
That is probably because section 9 of the FMCSA handbook (which covers vehicles under 10,000#) doesn't specifically mention tying down a boom: Driver's Handbook on Cargo Securement - Chapter 9: Automobiles, Light Trucks, and Vans | FMCSA
Section 10 (which covers vehicles and equipment over 10,000#) does specifically mention tying down a boom: Driver's Handbook on Cargo Securement - Chapter 1: Heavy Vehicles, Equipment, and Machinery | FMCSA
Good luck convincing a police officer on the side of the road that your loader doesn't need to be secured.

I am still trying to find someone who can show me where there are restrictions on what material your tiedowns are made of for securing equipment.
The ONLY restriction I can find is that crushed cars need to be tied down with chain or cable.

Aaron Z
 
   / Chain Grade #50  
Boulders and concrete pipes, too, IIRC.

Bruce
 

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