Chain Marking I.D.

[LD1]

I wouldn't want to be caught with anything not marked Gr7 or higher! Doing so *might* be legal, but not very safe.

WHY?

What is unsafe about using Gr43 or even lesser grade chain if you stay within the WLL?

Exceeding the WLL of Gr70 or higher is JUST as unsafe as exceeding it with a lower grade.

How is using 3/8" Gr43 (which you say is unsafe) compared to using 5/16" Gr70?

 

[sdef]

WHY?

What is unsafe about using Gr43 or even lesser grade chain if you stay within the WLL?

Exceeding the WLL of Gr70 or higher is JUST as unsafe as exceeding it with a lower grade.

How is using 3/8" Gr43 (which you say is unsafe) compared to using 5/16" Gr70?

Point taken and I agree with you in principle for brand new chain, rope, tie-downs, ladders, whatever. And this blanket statement is too broad and should have been more specific. When I added my +1, I was thinking of my situation and should have been more specific also. In general, as long as the WLL is maintained and the device manufactured properly, all should be well.

However, in use, tie down equipment of any type do get marginally damaged with nicks and abrasions which will decrease the WLL an unknown amount. I keep a few 5/16" G70 chains on my tractor and a 3/8" G43 chain and use them periodically. Since I use my tractor to its maximum capabilities often, sometimes things gets damaged in some minor manner, including the chains. Now, I am not saying these 5/16" G70 chains are EVER going to be broken by my tractor. However, I would not consider using them to tie down my 7400# tractor load with two chains on each end. Same thing if they were 3/8" G70, as I have no way to quantify what minimally apparent "wear" from being drug across countless large, sharp rocks has done to the WLL.

Real example using different medium: Early this summer while finishing clearing major trees from my property for a new home to be built, I had a 12k# winch attached to the tractor's 3PH and the wife was using the remote. I was at the base of the ~75', large diameter oak tree that was heavy 120 degrees to the right of where it needed to go. Left on its own path, it would have fallen 1/2 way down and stopped at an angle- supported by the rest of the forest. This was the last thing I wanted to happen, as to say this would be dangerous would be an understatement. Very long story short, the tree ended up exactly where I did not want it and the high dollar synthetic rope on the winch had been smashed in several spots between layers on the winches drum. I have no idea what the smashing of the ropes fibers at several points have done to the WLL, but my guess is it decreased it significantly and needs to be replaced. I had no idea this could even happen, but appearances are the rope's fibers are compressed so tightly together they appear to have been manufactured that way.

I am very **** retentive. And where most things are concerned, I up size one level rather than what would be the minimum requirement due to any factor out of my control, including offshore manufacturing. I do not care if it is a chain or a fire extinguisher. But there has to be a limit and I have chosen to stop with two each, 3/8" G70 chains on each end of my maximum 7400# tractor load when tying it down. Lose one chain on either end due to whatever unseen forces and I am exceeding the WLL of the chain still holding the load. Most times the WLL of a single chain will cover the WLL of the tractor at its loaded weight. And this still leaves the rest of the chains actually breaking strength, which is several times the WLL.

 

[LD1]

Dont matter if its grade 43 or grade 70, damage is damage. And I wouldnt say one is easier to damage than the other.

Benefit of using grade 70 is the ability to use a lighter chain to reach whatever WLL you need. But at a greater cost.

Grade 43 is just as safe. Even grade 30 is safe when used within WLL. I personally like grade 70 3/8" as well for tying down my equipment and for skidding logs. My tractor with attachments is ~5500#. I have broke too many 5/16 chains to feel confident doing hard skidding with them. So I needed to upsize. No weight difference between 3/8 gr43 or 3/8 gr 70, so I spent the little extra money and got gr70. Glad I did cause with the backhoe now, I have on ocassion broke some of those. gr43 would be worse. So I am carefull how I use them, and try to double up until I get some 1/2" chains for it.

 

[ModMech]

WLL is not static in an accident, when you factor in inertia, enough chain for the "load" is way too little for the inertia of an accident.

 

[DuckSlayer1017]

+1. Check out this link to see some of the possible G's in an accident. Car Crash Example The no seat belt example closely applies to a tractor tied on a trailer with chains. I'm too tired right now to redo the math with weight of a tractor but assume chains stretch very little so we can approximate the impact as the tractor hitting an solid object (chain). In their example a 160 lb man sees 150G or 12 tons with a 30 mph crash. A 5k tractor would be see a lot more force. To tie a tractor down to withstand crashes and not have anything fail would require a tremendous amount of WLL. Now I'm sure the physics in this example are very simple compared to what actually happens in real life but it does put things into perspective. I'm not saying that we need to use 2" chain to tie tractors down, obviously DOT has done the appropriate testing and research to develop their standards. I just wanted to elaborate on what ModMech was getting at.

 

[sdef]

+1. Check out this link to see some of the possible G's in an accident. Car Crash Example The no seat belt example closely applies to a tractor tied on a trailer with chains. I'm too tired right now to redo the math with weight of a tractor but assume chains stretch very little so we can approximate the impact as the tractor hitting an solid object (chain). In their example a 160 lb man sees 150G or 12 tons with a 30 mph crash. A 5k tractor would be see a lot more force. To tie a tractor down to withstand crashes and not have anything fail would require a tremendous amount of WLL. Now I'm sure the physics in this example are very simple compared to what actually happens in real life but it does put things into perspective. I'm not saying that we need to use 2" chain to tie tractors down, obviously DOT has done the appropriate testing and research to develop their standards. I just wanted to elaborate on what ModMech was getting at.

Agreed Such is with most things mechanical or electrical and the reason for standards and common sense. Stay within the ratings and operate as designed. Most folks can't cover all possibilities.