Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders?

/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #1  

BigEddy

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JD 855, 322, AMT626 plus whatever my son dragged home this month
Been using straps - going to get chains and binders. I can get standard binders or ratchet binders for the same cost.
What are your experiences with each, and which would you recommend?

Thanks
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #2  
Ratchet. They are slower, but they don't come loose randomly and they won't smack you in the face if they spring loose while tightening.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #3  
Standard are faster but can snap back on you. Also, you'll need some give to what you're binding. I added a ratchet binder to my arsenal after I tried to chain down my box blade once. Not enough "give" in the box/chain/trailer combo for the standard binder. The ratchet works just great though /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #4  
BigEddy:

This is right up my alley, so to speak.

Being a Michigan Steel Hauler, I use chain binders more in a week than you will in your lifetime.

Here are the rules:
Depending on what your chaining down, chains or straps can be used. Material that has a sharp edge, like a FEL bucket should be chained. That is, unless you use some sort of edge protection like a peice of rubber to shield the strap from the sharp edge. The sharp edge will fray and eventually cut the strap.
Chain binders come in a few different styles. There is the regular "snap" binder or the safety "snap" binder. The difference is, the safety binder when tensioned closed, will release the pressure on the handle whereas the standard snap always has tension on the handle. Snap binders all use an "over center" principal whereas the binder cams over to lock.

Ratchet binders all come in one style, just with different load ratings.

Chains are all about the same, just different grades and load ratings too. However, chain does come in different link sizes, the most common is 3/8" or 1/2". Chains need to be stamped on every 3rd. link as to the grade.

Whatever system you decide upon, make sure that you have enough chains or straps to handle the gross weight of the item you are hauling.

Most states recognize 1 chain for every 6,000 pounds of cargo weight as long as the chains are stamped with a grade mark.

If you are planning to go down the road with a load chained or strapped down, be sure to have it chained or strapped properly. You become fair game for any DOT or law enforcement official to inspect your load and determine if you are within the proper guidelines. If you are not, you can be fined for an insecure load. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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<font color="blue"> Being a Michigan Steel Hauler </font>

So you're the guy Daryl /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

When I lived in Detroit I used to get a kick out of the traffic reports: "I-94 Eastbound closed at Inkster...steel hauler lost his load". I never saw one, but I suspect a coil of steel rolling down the highway would be pretty intimidating /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #6  
Ratchet is the way to go. It gives you so much more flexibility.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #7  
I'll throw in with the ratchet crowd. I hate binders. Too dang many pinched fingers and banged extremities in my lifetime. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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BigEddy:
I've used both and my vote is for chains and ratchet binders. Them regular binders can hurt you bad. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #9  
RobS:

Well, I am a baby Michigan Steel hauler. I can only haul 85,000 on the deck as I drive a 7 axle unit. If I had an 11 axle unit, I could haul about 102,000, depending on my light weight.

My 7 axle unit is plated for 121,000 pounds gross. I prefer a 7 axle or a tight quad over a straight 11 axle unit. I can run in other states that only recognize 80,000# gross on 5 axles as my axles are lifts. The picture will explain. The truck has a 525 E model Caterpillar with 1850 pounds feet torque in front of a 14613 double over driving 44 rockwells, 3.90 ratio. Also included (but not pictured because they are in the trailer) is 12 sets of grade 80 chains, 12 feet long, 12 ratchet binders, 4 snap binders and a big cheater pipe. The cheater pipe is because I ain't Arnold /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #10  
Gee Daryl, if you tried, could you squeeze another set of tires under that rig?????????

That's a pretty unit.

Ron
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #11  
Do you have to lift the front two sets of axles to make a tight turn, such as a corner in town? Or do the tires just slide? I know that the rear axles that lower on concrete trucks can caster for turns.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #12  
Ratchet for the reasons stated above and more.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #13  
Nice looking rig Daryl /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #14  
5030 seems to have covered the topic very well.

I'm sure the retaing system is very dependant on the type of load being hauled.

Egon
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #15  
Ron:

The axle spacing is 10' 1". Federal Bridge Law spacing states that you must have at least 10' between axles to obtain 20,000 pounds per axle. This is a little complicated, but in every state other than Michigan, the Federal Bridge Law applies. In Michigan, the only axles that must have at least 10' spacing centerline to centerline is the distance between the centerline of the rear drive axle and the lead axle on the trailer. In Michigan, every axle in any group is rated at 18,000 pounds no matter what the distance is. Problem is, almost every other state is 80,000# gross weight, that is, unless you are on an overweight permit. Then, the gross weight is what is stated on the permit and that weight is determined by tire width and not axle spacing. On a permit, the maximum allowable weight is 20,000# per axle, except the drive axles and steer axle. The steer axle is 13,000# and the drive axles are 34,000# as a group.

Now remember, the load must be placed on the trailer so as to have the axles in specification. If the axles are heavy, you get fined.

The best part of all of this is that most every state other than Michigan only recognize 5 axles. That means that I can put 80,000# cargo weight on the trailer but I must have my lift axles in the air, that is, unless my lift axles are not cab controlled (mine are). If the lift axles cannot be set from inside the cab (down pressure), then they can be down. Hauling 80,000# on 5 axles is like a snowball headed for hell. You don't have enough brakes to stop, even with an engine retarder. That's what happens when some whiz kid in state government comes up with a bright idea. Besides, it destroys the roads. The per-square-inch of static tire loading is extreme and that destroys the pavement.

And you thought that trucking was easy, right??
 
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Gary:

The axles don't caster on concrete trucks, the actually are called steerable axles. They have a kingpin arrangement with a set of large springs attached so when the truck turns, the wheels follow the turning chassis.

That won't work on my unit. The chassis must not be articulated, that is, it must be a straight truck. I can lift my axles via air from in the cab as well as control the down pressure. The down pressure applies air to the air bags to put the weight on the axle. I have gages in the cab that tell me how much air is applied to the axle at any given time. The inside of the truck is like an airplane cockpit. I have a total of 20 gages that tell me everything from exhaust temperature to axle temperatures. The air controls for the axles are mounted on the floor, next to the seat.

If you did not relieve the air pressure on the down axles and went around a corner, you'd be looking at the front of the trailer real quick!!
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #17  
Rob:

I like it. It's a company truck. At one time, I owned 4 units. My wife told me if I ever bought another, she'd hit me in the head with a frying pan. The upkeep on a rig like that is astronomical.

Example: Tires-$200.00 each, 10 gallons oil each change. 4 batteries, The cost of the unit is about 85K for the tractor and 50K for the trailer.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #18  
What you described for the concrete truck is what I meant. I've seen them when they go around a turn, then straighten themselves out. Neat trick.

Thanks for the explaination.
 
/ Chaining Down - Ratchet or Std binders? #19  
I've got one of the old over center binders. It was layin' in my Dad's shop after he died, and all the good stuff was already gone. It doesn't kick back after you've got it over the center, but I like to tie the handle down anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 

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