Check out the new Ford Superduty

[RobertN]

When I got my Cummins, fuel was cheaper here. For the most part, it is more expensive than premium here now. For a long time, while gas moved around, the price on diesel was more stable. Then it went up too. Now, it has stayed up.

Tax dollars; in the seat of Freedom. They had a revolution back there over taxes back when, and the taxes were lower then than now /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[gsxr1100]

I agree. If I were to buy another diesel truck it would be a cummins since it has like 30% fewer parts and less engine problem. It is just that every "moron" wants a diesel and the fuel prices are not going down...as they should since diesel is like 60% less steps in the refining process.

The old 7.3L were rock solid except for the coolant in the engine oil problems. I loved that motor since it had much less electrical and very easy to work on.

Then my powerstroke was nice, but it was always something on it. I just got tired of the $89 GPR every year, crappy ball joints, harsh ride and the every dripping vavle cover leak (some filter in cover). But to remove the cover you needed to remove the turbo and some other items...I am jsut venting and it all went away when I smelt the diesel...

I got my powerstroke when highway diesel was $0.79 to $0.89 and gas was about $1.15 per gallon. Now the prices are more then double and "flipped". Diesel is always the same price as super or more...I do not get it. This state is sooo.............Between the moron gov, the $%^ AG, what else can MA screw up...

 

[dmp437]

you can get 4ws on 2500s and 3500s by chevy actually, and its even a better system then on the 1500.

There are SuperDuty's with the four wheel steering but they are not for sale /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Delphi Automotive (the developer of the 4ws) has an exclusive deal with GM products for two years. However, based on sales figures, Ford may ultimately decide to pass on it. Locally, sales are pretty poor even after the price cut from $4000 to $2000. Most vehicles that have it (locally) are PEP vehicles that are sold to GM employees for 28% off.
Now, about the SuperDuty so i can't be accused of "thread-jacking". I've had my V-10 SuperDuty since 1998 and have been extremely pleased with it. It has been overloaded, jumped (think 'Dukes of Hazzard' style), and extensively off-roaded and has held up very well. When it comes time for a new truck there is no question that it will be a SuperDuty, even though I have GM employee discounts and could get GM truck cheaper. The SuperDuty has a wider cab for more hiproom, a taller roof for more headroom, and better engines.
As far as diesel trucks being cheaper to operate than gassers, back when diesel was cheaper than gas the break point for the diesel to start saving money over the gasser was 100,000 miles. This takes into consideration fuel price and maintainance issues but not engine life.

 

[WVaHillbilly]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> jumped (think 'Dukes of Hazzard' style), </font> )</font>

Right......... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="green">I agree. If I were to buy another diesel truck it would be a cummins since it has like 30% fewer parts and less engine problem </font>

I always thought this too but according to a recent report the most trouble-free and most reliable motor over the passed 10 years has been the powerstroke.

 

[WVaHillbilly]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> I always thought this too but according to a recent report </font> )</font>

What report was that ? I would like to see it.

 

[slowrev]

"It is just that every "moron" wants a diesel and the fuel prices are not going down...as they should since diesel is like 60% less steps in the refining process."

I wonder where the diesel price will go when the low sulpher diesel rules go into effect.

 

[timb]

A friend and I did a lot of calculating last year regarding ROI of a diesel and the (then) local prices in PA for fuel along with the relative initial and resale values of diesel pickups around here. Worked out to about 80,000-100,000 miles break-even point then (assuming a typical mix of city/highway we seem to do.) After that you're in the green - and you've had the extra power all during that period. We didn't take it out further and make any guesstimate regarding engine life and total expenses beyond 200,000 though.

 

[cowboydoc]

JD Power and Associates I believe. Also was there something great on that power wagon that isn't available on every other truck out there? It's got big tires, shocks, and suspension. It's nothing that most of us here with 4wds didn't do with one when we were kids.

 

[cowboydoc]

Tim,

If you figure in the resale value of a diesel will be much, much higher for a diesel than a gas truck that break even point will be even lower. Look on autotrader or somehwere that has alot of trucks for sale. A like gas truck will be 5-10k lower than a diesel. My driving is 90% towing. Compared to a V-10 and figuring in resale value my break-even point over the last 7 trucks I've had has been about 24,000 miles.