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bontai_Joe said:I seem to remember that most Europeans that came to North America were escaping from religious and economic oppression in Europe, so I don't understand what thanks we would owe European countries (read ruling entities) for our creation.
Thats true: However the Netherlands had a German prince that freed us from the Spanish religious oppression... In our national anthem, there is mention of this "German blood"....
bontai_Joe said:We kicked out a European king's government to establish our own. So I guess a thank you might be "Thanks for running your countries so badly between 1500 to 1960 that my ancestors felt the need to leave, rather than live there any more."? I always thought of the United States as a nation created by folks that no one else wanted, and by folks that were extremely unhappy with their lives and were brave enough and adventurous enough to leave their homelands and try for something better.
I have relatives in Canada. I know of quite a few occasions that these (my ancestors that emigrated) were "funny" people: behaviour that would now be described as "ADHD", or just extremely stubbard people that needed the freedom. I know them personally, and i admit that i have been thinking of emigrating for the same reasons It's ok by me, to say that i wasnt brave and adventurous enough
bontai_Joe said:Churchill said something like "Democracy is the worst form of government on earth, except for all the others".
dont know who said it, but i recall "democracy is just the dictature of the majority"
However mankind hasnt found a better system yet... Thats why most "free" countries have a fundamental law to protect the minorities in their basic rights [/QUOTE]
bontai_Joe said:This has been an interesting thread. I have learned about truck technology, and read some interesting viewpoints on global economies. My shopping bias is to try to buy US produced good when possible, followed by goods produced in democratically run countries, and I try to avoid buying anything at all from dictatorships, so there are no Vietnamese sneakers in my house. But with the HUGE amount of Chinese goods flooding the American market, it's close to impossible to avoid buying Chinese goods. I'm not happy about that, but I do what I can.
Its your right to shop biased I must admit i do the same, and agree that we (the world) can no longer avoid Chinese goods. But lets not forget that many parts from cars we buy, are already made in Asia. The "buying 100% american goods" is a misconception: Anno 2008 its nearly impossible.
And for us, the Dutch, its the same thing: Our famous Philips bulb lights are outsourced to Asia, as well as the plasma screens. Philips just had to do something to stay competitive against the Jap and Korean brands.