Choices.....

[Tom59]

Here is my list. I wanted to present it here knowing guys in here have the experience with differing setups.
My lot just about 2 acres need to remove a few stumps , do some grading, some hole digging eventually maybe use it to mow. My small sitdown does the trick for now. I also have a solid 2 acre lot to clear nearbye. Then my friends annoying me to use it... well you get the picture.

My final list in order..... as of today.

Mahindra 2415 TLB it fits me perfectly and best package price so far. Love the engine its a Mitsu , but not over rpm'ed. (2500) The hoe fit my knees fine and the machine is fairly light. 1800+ without FEL/BH. Very,very nimble machine.
(dealer within 20miles) excellent support....

Kioti CK25 TLB need to test drive it today. Dislikes, it weighs alot 1200lbs more, if I'm reading this right. I'm worried about rutting my lawn with this tank. Especially springtime.....nevermind trailering it.
Likes, very well respected built extremely rugged. Need to sit on it and see if I fit ok. ( 6'3" 220) See how nimble it is etc....
(dealer 40miles)

TYM T273 A tad more money within budget though , but looks small from the specs. I will also test this one today. Dislikes, the mitsu engine is same as the mahindra , but rpm'ed up to 2700 to make the 27hp. I know the warranty is longer , so that quells most of my fears. The only HST of the three...
(dealer is 30miles)

All of the dealers are oldtimers.. no fly by nights....

I test drove the Kubota 2630 and found the hoe supports hit my knees. I can't constantly mash my knees into the supports. Very nice machine

....7610 is also a possibility just haven't seen one at my local dealers. Hate to add another to the mix its already gut wrenching!!

All have 0% financing and decent warranties. I know the warranties need to be well read because they have some limitations.

......any other things to consider? thanks!!

 

[coasterez]

I have the CK25. It's an awesome digging machine where weight is paramount to those kinds of tasks. For mowing, I wouldn't recommend it, too heavy. Will compact your soil or leave ruts. The T273 is the "best" of the three for all around use. Though the Mahindra is the best value (and also quite heavy). Why not Deere, NH, or MF? Their smallest CUTS are all very nice. Also suggest the Kioti CK20. Whatever you decide, if mowing other than open field, get HST.

 

[Tom59]

I have the CK25. It's an awesome digging machine where weight is paramount to those kinds of tasks. For mowing, I wouldn't recommend it, too heavy. Will compact your soil or leave ruts. The T273 is the "best" of the three for all around use. Though the Mahindra is the best value (and also quite heavy). Why not Deere, NH, or MF? Their smallest CUTS are all very nice. Also suggest the Kioti CK20. Whatever you decide, if mowing other than open field, get HST.

Well I just got back from the Kioti dealer CK20 is now in the mix. I decided the CK25 as too big and heavy. I loved the smaller tractor great fit as far as seating and the hoe. Rugged little machine...plus this particular dealer is adding a few nice perks.

The mahindra is also still in the mix. The mahindra and TYM weigh about the same 100lbs or so...same engines, built according to the TYM dealer by the same company as the mahindra's 15 series.
CK20 is about 1900lbs my only issue is the turning radius is way longer than the mahindra. The mahindra has excellent hp/pto 24/21.5 vs 21/16.5.
The mahindra is alot easier to mount from either side and is much nimbler. It does cost more than the Kioti CK20 about 1k+. Kioti lists turning radius as 7.5 ft , mahindra 7.9 , but drive them and its different.

Why not JD , NH ,MF the dealers are furthest away. I'm trying to buy out of state which for me is a few miles. I'm sure you know why. It's actually closer for me to go out of state for most of the dealers. Except JD-NH-MF....and some others.

Dealer reputation/longevity has a big influence on me then distance. The local mahindra dealer is very,very well respected even though he just started selling mahindra. His shop is closest to me.

Kioti dealer is second in those regards.
Kubota also is close bye......but, if I never eliminate any models I'll be worn out looking..
CK20 impressed me!

 

[thcri]

I am wondering Tom how your first post in this thread can be your second overall post while you 2nd post in this thread is your first post???

It has me confused. Looks to me like you might have some special powers here.


murph

 

[thcri]

Oh I see how you did that. Can anyone else see how Tom managed that?

 

[Dmace]

Comparing the Mahindra 2415 to the Kioti CK20, it looks like the Mahindra does not have an adjustable suspension seat since it can fold forward. The Kioti with the KL130 loader can lift 1074 lbs to full height (88") at the pivot points and the Mahindra with the ML105 lifts only 1050 lbs to a max height of 83" at the pivot points. This is comparing a 21hp tractor to a 24!

Comparing the backhoes (Kioti KB2365 to the Mahindra 1710B) the digging depth of the Kioti is 76.4" compared to 76" for the other. Bucket digging force for the Kioti is 2875lbs where the Mahindra is 2520lbs. The Kioti reach is 105.5" compared to 105" on the other. It seems like they are very close but this comparing the Mahindra to a smaller tractor.

For it's size, the CK20 is an incredibly powerful machine. There is less than 100lbs difference between the two machines so if the Kioti seems too heavy for mowing, the Mahindra will be too!

Either machine will amaze you...

 

[DmansPadge]

Oh I see how you did that. Can anyone else see how Tom managed that?

Ok.. yeah.. I just noticed. Tom needs to make his mind up!!

 

[Dmace]

I made a typo in my post, the loader on the Kioti is the KL120 not KL130. The specs are all the same. It's stupid that you have a limited time to edit your post.

 

[coasterez]

If you haven't driven the T273, the manueverability of that little machine will amaze you. The only thing about the Mahindra is the location of the loader joystick. I find the ones mounted up high on the loader frame to be very fatigueing, much like holding your arm over your head for a long time. But, I don't have the longest of arms either.

 

[thcri]

It's stupid that you have a limited time to edit your post.

No it is not, Otherwise people can be making changes all the time that effect later posts. This is why we have the preview section.


Just my opinion.


murph

 

[Tom59]

Comparing the Mahindra 2415 to the Kioti CK20, it looks like the Mahindra does not have an adjustable suspension seat since it can fold forward. The Kioti with the KL130 loader can lift 1074 lbs to full height (88") at the pivot points and the Mahindra with the ML105 lifts only 1050 lbs to a max height of 83" at the pivot points. This is comparing a 21hp tractor to a 24!

Comparing the backhoes (Kioti KB2365 to the Mahindra 1710B) the digging depth of the Kioti is 76.4" compared to 76" for the other. Bucket digging force for the Kioti is 2875lbs where the Mahindra is 2520lbs. The Kioti reach is 105.5" compared to 105" on the other. It seems like they are very close but this comparing the Mahindra to a smaller tractor.

For it's size, the CK20 is an incredibly powerful machine. There is less than 100lbs difference between the two machines so if the Kioti seems too heavy for mowing, the Mahindra will be too!

Either machine will amaze you...

Thanks for the reply......

The CK25 is too heavy to mow not this bugger.

Both are very close in size if you have seen them both. No real major differences there. 2615 is much bigger framed. One thing I really like about the Mahindra driving it was ease of mounting and dismounting thats huge for me. (bad back) Also the hindra seems easier to manuever .....


Yeah, I signed in twice, I thought because it took so long to get registered my first attempt failed. Sorry.....bout that. Sometimes spam filters kick out useful stuff. call me sybil59....

I've been lurking awhile now and going to dealers for two years asking questions. (yep slow learner) I just wasn't ready before and now am after my cellar took some H20 this winter. I decided to rip up my yard and re-drain the whole kit and kabootle...

As for mowing its last on my list of things it must do well. I already own a nice small lawn tractor that I'm not done popping wheelies with yet. er' I meant mow.....

Back to my choices and why.

The mahindra 2415 has a shade faster bucket response. I also believe these two are the closest in all categories except engine hp/pto nevermind price its very close again. I love the idea of a throttled down engine 2500rpms I know piston speed is a major engine wear issue. TYM same engine 2700rpms, the 2615 same engine 2600rpms. So this engine is being under utilized or the others over or slightly over. The reviews are scarce so not alot of feedback from owners. Lastly, this dealer is closest and super nice guy and never tried hard selling me which is huge! IIRC, the seat does in fact slide forward , but no suspension built in. It fit fine anyway. Digging force according to the site is 2900lbs?


CK20 has by far the most room for me on the hoe. The CK20 also comes with a few extra goodies iirc. 3pt hitch .. I actually thought the kioti had less digging depth. I need to re-read that , but it seems the site is down. Either way it's very minor.... FEL controls on the CK are in a better spot, although , it limits mounting the machine from that side. I fully agree the seats are better on the Kioti the drivers seat has a suspension built in...these are little things that if you are working it alot matter imo.

Kioti CK20 Review, Price, Information Any thoughts on this review?

My wife thinks RED goes with the house better.

 

[Tom59]

If you haven't driven the T273, the manueverability of that little machine will amaze you. The only thing about the Mahindra is the location of the loader joystick. I find the ones mounted up high on the loader frame to be very fatigueing, much like holding your arm over your head for a long time. But, I don't have the longest of arms either.

I agree !! But, I have long arms and the mount is adjustable. The TYM is out of the picture the out of state dealers price was ridiculous the in state price of the machine is between 1-2k more.
I just can't justify the price difference. I need to call another dealer on the TYM , but its furthest away. Thats what makes it tough ...

TYM also has the higher HP , but its the same engine as the mahindra.

heads or tails......

 

[Dmace]

2615 is much bigger framed.

Digging force according to the site is 2900lbs?

At first, you were comparing the Mahindra 2415 to the CK20, that is the numbers I used. The 2900lb digging force is for the 3710 backhoe on the 2615 which is a larger 26hp tractor. The 26hp 2615 tractor is a much bigger tractor and much bigger backhoe, but has basically the same digging strength as the smaller Kioti.

As far as the review, I too cannot climb some hills in high gear, but it's HIGH GEAR and not made for climbing hills. I use for travel only and can go 11mph, those others can't. It would be nice to have a three gear range, but unneccesary with a small HST in my opinion. If I need to climb a hill, I use low gear. Plenty of speed and can climb a vertical wall until the backhoe hits the ground.

Murph, if they quote whatever they are replying to, then it can't be changed at a later date.

 

[Tom59]

At first, you were comparing the Mahindra 2415 to the CK20, that is the numbers I used. The 2900lb digging force is for the 3710 backhoe on the 2615 which is a larger 26hp tractor. The 26hp 2615 tractor is a much bigger tractor and much bigger backhoe, but has basically the same digging strength as the smaller Kioti.

As far as the review, I too cannot climb some hills in high gear, but it's HIGH GEAR and not made for climbing hills. I use for travel only and can go 11mph, those others can't. It would be nice to have a three gear range, but unneccesary with a small HST in my opinion. If I need to climb a hill, I use low gear. Plenty of speed and can climb a vertical wall until the backhoe hits the ground.

Murph, if they quote whatever they are replying to, then it can't be changed at a later date.

YES, comparing the two CK20- 2415.

I think something is odd the 2710 which is the 1710b (I thought) has the same numbers as the 3710. I just used those numbers. I hit specs it took me to these number in PDF. It looks like the 2415 can only use the 1710b which has less capabilities.
Confusing??......the 2710 which is used on the 2015 has more ability.


The TYM is now back in the picture an out of state dealer came up with some fairly good numbers. This class of tractor is really competitive and the incentives are all basically the same. TYM has the BEST warranty 5yrs - 3 bumper to bumper thats impressive. I'll hopefully get a test drive today or tomorrow.

If the ck20 had a tad more pto HP this would be an easier decision. Does the 5-7 more PTO/ hp of the other two make much difference as far as running attachments?
Such as a log splitter or post hole digger or a wood chipper?

 

[thcri]

Murph, if they quote whatever they are replying to, then it can't be changed at a later date.

That is if they quote? Some people don't quote. I guess I never really thought of it but I don't know of a forum site that has a continuous edit feature.

murph

 

[DK35vince]

Does the 5-7 more PTO/ hp of the other two make much difference as far as running attachments?
Such as a log splitter or post hole digger or a wood chipper?

I doubt the 5-7 PTO HP differance will have much affect on the log splitter.
But it will make a big differance in attachments like the wood chipper, brush mowers or finish mowers, rototillers, Etc.

 

[Tom59]

I doubt the 5-7 PTO HP differance will have much affect on the log splitter.
But it will make a big differance in attachments like the wood chipper, brush mowers or finish mowers, rototillers, Etc.

Thanks guy....

I know the size of the attachments make it a difficult question, but the 5-7hp seems to allow for more options.
Unless the TYM blows me away then its the Kioti CK20 GD TLB. I'll need to justify the 2500.00 difference. I know it(TYM 273) has the best capability anyone know about resale for each company?