CK2610 New Operator Error

[sixacrecaretaker]

Hello everyone. I just took possession of my new CK2610 TLB earlier this evening. While comfortable with with automotive repairs & maintenance, I am new extremely new to hydraulics and have never owned a tractor this size. After the dealer pulled it off the trailer, we went over all of the controls together. Problem was that I was trying to watch my 4 1/2 year old son (his mom was putting our 6 month old to bed) while listening to the dealers instructions. From the dealer, I ordered the tractor with a loader, backhoe, and grapple to give you a better understanding of the hydraulic setup. I know the dealer had to add a remote to the rear and then install a second remote in the front for the grapple? Either way, I have two levers on the right side of my seat that control the hydraulics if I heard him right, mind you my son wasn't making it any easier to listen. If I heard the dealer correctly, the first/inner lever has a neutral, forward, & backward which sends hydraulic pressure to either the loader/front attachment or backhoe/rear attachment. (In hindsight, this doesn't make sense to me because it seems as though I wouldn't have to SELECT whether I wanted hydraulic pressure to the loader or backhoe however this could just be a complete misunderstanding of the hydraulic functioning on my part) The second/outer lever is to control the open/close functions on the grapple.

So in between driving the tractor from my driveway to barn, I messed something up and didn't put the lever back in neutral when I shut the tractor off or something because when I parked the machine, I went to lower the bucket before turning it off and realized that my joystick wouldn't move the loader in any direction. Then I remembered the lever I mentioned above and pushed it backward thinking I would try the backhoe only to realize that the backhoe would only swing one way and then that stopped. At that point with my child still on my lap and my wife yelling for us to come in so that he could go to bed, I just shut the machine down for the night. I guess my question is this. Did I lock the hydraulics up by not following the lever sequence appropriately and if so, how do I go about correcting this? I would like to get it sorted asap so that I can avoid the embarrassment of calling the dealer first thing tomorrow after screwing it up only minutes after taking delivery. :ashamed:

Thanks for any replies or thoughts in advance. For anybody that is curious about this particular model, I would be more than happy to post some pics of it tomorrow. Additionally, I will do a write up on the research/buying process which ultimately led me to this particular model for anybody that may be in the same boat as I was.

 

[Wagtail]

G'day Mate and welcome to TBN from Downunder.

Enjoy the site... and sit down, have a relaxing beverage. Then read your owner's manual front-to-back.

Tomorrow, check your fluids and the torque on your wheel lug-nuts. Fire your rig up and slowly play with it. You're not alone in being a first timer.

Importantly, call your dealer at anytime (business hours, of course)... you're not a twit and it's not an embarrassment... there's a lot to take in.

Tomorrow night, after yet another libation, re-read your manual front-to-back. She'll be right, mate. :thumbsup: Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something... Your fellow TBNers (including me) are full of stories of 'starting out'.

 

[JoelD]

Hi there newbee, but not for long!

First and foremost congrats on the growing family!!! Enjoy every minute as that grow too stinkin fast!

Highly unlikely you did anything that froze anything up you just likely have some valves you've set in such way that you are diverting oil from where it needs to go to control loader and hoe and grapple.

 

[JoelD]

Post some picks including hoses from valves and we can more easily help

I'm thinking that one lever may control grapple and the other lever sends oil to grapple rather than hoe?

I would expect you should be able to run loader and hoe concurrently. I can and would seem odd that you could not

I'm thinking you were distracted and got a bit confused

Post picks and keep posting comments and the guys will get you to s good place

Also good advice above with regards to calling dealer he/she will walk you through.

Be safe around the youngens with the new machine and keep your rops up and seatbelt on

Joel

 

[Highgear]

So - a simple call to the dealer should answer all your questions . Is it Michigan Iron ?

 

[sixacrecaretaker]

I am an idiot. Last night when I got off the tractor to take a picture of my son on it, I hit the joystick safety lever in the event that he got curious and tried moving the joystick. Needless to say, it is working as it should now. Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply. As soon as the weather clears I will get some pics of the tractor in action. Side note, I did buy the tractor from Michigan Iron and Equipment. I can't say enough about Denise and Bob. I walked away from the transaction feeling like family. Thanks MIE and to everyone who took the time to respond to my thread. Have a great day!

 

[Wagtail]

I'm glad that everything has worked out Mate. You're not an idiot... you've simply learnt something about your tractor. We've all done it.

Now, read your manual front-to-back.

 

[K man]

Welcome to BTN. After reading this thread I figured it has to be something minor, I mean a brand new machine. Glad you found it. Yes kids can be distracting sometimes lol. Show us some pics of your machine soon.

 

[Buggs67]

Glad you figured it out. I had the same problem the first day. It didn't help that my dealer dropped the machine and ran. He said "read the manuals it's all in there". It's not. The manuals are poor. ANd Kioti will also tell you exactly what is in the manual. You are lucky to have MIE as your dealer. I've heard nothing but praise for them.

On my tractor the first lever to the right is my valve control and it sends fluid to the BH. it has to be in N when the BH is not attached or you're sending pressure to a dead-end and could cause damage. My next lever over is the lift lever for the 3pt.

Good luck with the new tractor,

 

[bier1064]

It didn't help that my dealer dropped the machine and ran. He said "read the manuals it's all in there". It's not.

That really sucks, my delivering dealer spent at least 45-60 minutes with me. He went over some of the do's and don'ts along with covering all the controls and fluid fill locations. This dealer, Jordan Sales in Post Falls ID, makes you feel like part of the family.

 

[sixacrecaretaker]

So I have clocked about 10 hours so far spreading some mulch and raking a hill that hadn't been touched in several years based on the amount of downed branches etc. Tractor has delivered as promised thus far. Haven't had any issue with overloading the loader with weight, but with the backhoe attached the counterweight is there anyhow. Had a chance to read the manuals and while the presentation is nice the information is rather lacking. Seems to be a very bland manual in my opinion. The only thing that has been frustrating and I was warned ahead of time is that the transmission can be rather sticky at time because it doesn't have synchro's like a manual transmission car so the gears have to be almost perfect before you can move the shifter. MIE warned that it will be tight for a while until things loosen up in the tranny. The one other thing I noticed is that the parking break can be finicky getting it to stick. My property is relatively hilly and I don't need a 3-4 thousand lbs tractor rolling away on me so I find myself trying to set the parking brake frequently wHicham leads to several attempts before it is applied successfully. I will ask the dealer about this when he drops off my grapple. I haven't had much opportunity to use the backhoe yet, but in my little experience with it thus far, the backhoe is smooth and plenty powerful even while the engine is operating at low idle. Loving the tractor so far. Can't wait for the grapple to arrive so that I can get all this brush cut up and moved to the fire pit.

 

[The Fred]

My dealer technician was telling me last week that Kioti hasn't released a service manual for the dealers yet.

Be patient as this is a brand new model for Kioti and surely they will improve the owner's manual. I went to install my rear remotes and had zero info, my dealer found me an online pdf to use.

The brakes on this tractor are far better than expected, in fact quite superb. Over the weekend I used a 6 foot Woods plot seeder to plant a lawn and it is quite a heavy beast.

While backing down a steep embankment the front end simply goes in the air until the seeder rolls hit the ground, just by tilting my right foot on the dual brake pedal I could control the steering backing down that bank with flip-flops on and a beer in one hand cigar in the other(whoops did I just say that?)

So far I really love the way this machine handles all of my attachments though yes the grinding shifts are getting really old. My old machine could be shifted back and forth on the go with no grinding whatsoever. Actually I am starting to think there are no syncros at all in the trans.

Other than that she's been good to report on. Second tank of fuel lasted 10 hours beating it badly with a 6 foot tiller and 8 foot toothed drag behind that full of soil to smooth the ruts. Sorry no pictures of said contraption.

Regards, Fred

 

[k0ua]

My dealer technician was telling me last week that Kioti hasn't released a service manual for the dealers yet.

Be patient as this is a brand new model for Kioti and surely they will improve the owner's manual. I went to install my rear remotes and had zero info, my dealer found me an online pdf to use.

The brakes on this tractor are far better than expected, in fact quite superb. Over the weekend I used a 6 foot Woods plot seeder to plant a lawn and it is quite a heavy beast.

While backing down a steep embankment the front end simply goes in the air until the seeder rolls hit the ground, just by tilting my right foot on the dual brake pedal I could control the steering backing down that bank with flip-flops on and a beer in one hand cigar in the other(whoops did I just say that?)

So far I really love the way this machine handles all of my attachments though yes the grinding shifts are getting really old. My old machine could be shifted back and forth on the go with no grinding whatsoever. Actually I am starting to think there are no syncros at all in the trans.

Other than that she's been good to report on. Second tank of fuel lasted 10 hours beating it badly with a 6 foot tiller and 8 foot toothed drag behind that full of soil to smooth the ruts. Sorry no pictures of said contraption.

Regards, Fred

Fred does the tractor have enough power for its frame size? I know several people were worried about that.

 

[The Fred]

I don't believe it's 26hp. I'd like to dyno the thing to make sure. My old tractor was the same weight class and the same HP but would run circles around this tilling or mowing. The good news is it can be fixed with a small adjustment if one is willing.

It runs really well now. This tractor is a no brainer for the he who hates tier 4 class of owners that want a new machine less the expensive BS that will fail and be overly priced in 10 years.

Though I have NOT tried one of the 35 horse and up machines I heard one start in the shop and it was oh so smooth and quiet compared to the 26 hp. old time dinosaur engine. Choices for everyone, old and stinky, new and silky smooth no smell empty your pockets down the road machine.

Fred

 

[k0ua]

I don't believe it's 26hp. I'd like to dyno the thing to make sure. My old tractor was the same weight class and the same HP but would run circles around this tilling or mowing. The good news is it can be fixed with a small adjustment if one is willing.

It runs really well now. This tractor is a no brainer for the he who hates tier 4 class of owners that want a new machine less the expensive BS that will fail and be overly priced in 10 years.

Though I have NOT tried one of the 35 horse and up machines I heard one start in the shop and it was oh so smooth and quiet compared to the 26 hp. old time dinosaur engine. Choices for everyone, old and stinky, new and silky smooth no smell empty your pockets down the road machine.

Fred

I guess it is like anything else.. There are always plus and minus points to everything.

 

[Wagtail]

The one other thing I noticed is that the parking break can be finicky getting it to stick. My property is relatively hilly and I don't need a 3-4 thousand lbs tractor rolling away on me so I find myself trying to set the parking brake frequently which leads to several attempts before it is applied successfully. I will ask the dealer about this when he drops off my grapple.

I found this to be true with my 4105 when it was new. I sprayed all of the pivot points of the braking pedal linkages and the parking-brake lock/un-lock pull. That helped free every thing up.

I also found (and still do) that, even after applying the parking brake lock, I need to push down on the pedal until I feel it 'click' into place... if that doesn't happen then the brake hasn't truly been applied.

As an example, after haying season the folks I was helping loaded my tractor on their lorry to return it to me. When they arrived to unload I noticed that a brand-new tie-down strap at the back of the tractor had chafed... When I hopped up to drive the tractor off I stepped down on the brake pedal to release the 'park' lever and felt it "pop" into 'park'. In other words, they'd inadvertently transported the tractor using just its weight (implements down) and straps to keep it in place.

Lesson learnt.