CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where.

   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #21  
What ritcheyvs said.

Also with a voltmeter you can easily isolate your problem in just a few minutes.

With a load (current draw) on the battery (turn lights on or if you have a helper, glow plugs or similar load), measure voltage at battery terminal posts, not on the connectors, measure on the center of the terminal posts. If above 12.5 or so, good, proceed. Move the positive voltmeter lead to the wire terminal - should read the same as before. Move the negative probe to the wire terminal, should be the same. If not you can measure "voltage drop" (or loss caused by a bad connection) by measuring across that connector or length of wire. If it were the positive battery terminal bad, you would put the meter positive on the center of the battery terminal, and the meter negative on the connector - if you get a voltage reading, that is the "loss" across that connection.

This works as long as there's current flow through a circuit, you can measure from point A to point B with your meter and see what the voltage loss is through a wire or component. In a high current circuit, say a starter motor running and pulling 100 amps or more, you expect to see a loss of 1 volt or a bit more. With a smaller load, say headlights on, the loss across the wiring (if you measure from the bat positive to the positive terminal of the lamp) should be just a fraction of a volt, (e.g. 0.13 volts).

By checking this way, you won't be replacing perfectly good parts. Note that a wire seldom almost never goes bad unless it is physically damaged. More often the problem would be a poorly crimped, corroded, or loose connection. If wire corrosion itself is suspected (again rare) copper corrosion is green in color. Also a lead acid battery can have what is called a "surface charge" - wherein it looks good on a voltmeter (12.5 to 12.8 volts) but the battery has little to no capacity - if a load is applied, as ritcheyvs said, the voltage drops precipitously or "collapses". Measure across the battery with your meter will show this, as a good battery will show a small voltage drop as a load is applied, then will typically rebound a little as internal chemistry and temperature rise a bit.

good luck,

bumper
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where.
  • Thread Starter
#22  
What ritcheyvs said.

Also with a voltmeter you can easily isolate your problem in just a few minutes.

With a load (current draw) on the battery (turn lights on or if you have a helper, glow plugs or similar load), measure voltage at battery terminal posts, not on the connectors, measure on the center of the terminal posts. If above 12.5 or so, good, proceed. Move the positive voltmeter lead to the wire terminal - should read the same as before. Move the negative probe to the wire terminal, should be the same. If not you can measure "voltage drop" (or loss caused by a bad connection) by measuring across that connector or length of wire. If it were the positive battery terminal bad, you would put the meter positive on the center of the battery terminal, and the meter negative on the connector - if you get a voltage reading, that is the "loss" across that connection.

This works as long as there's current flow through a circuit, you can measure from point A to point B with your meter and see what the voltage loss is through a wire or component. In a high current circuit, say a starter motor running and pulling 100 amps or more, you expect to see a loss of 1 volt or a bit more. With a smaller load, say headlights on, the loss across the wiring (if you measure from the bat positive to the positive terminal of the lamp) should be just a fraction of a volt, (e.g. 0.13 volts).

By checking this way, you won't be replacing perfectly good parts. Note that a wire seldom almost never goes bad unless it is physically damaged. More often the problem would be a poorly crimped, corroded, or loose connection. If wire corrosion itself is suspected (again rare) copper corrosion is green in color. Also a lead acid battery can have what is called a "surface charge" - wherein it looks good on a voltmeter (12.5 to 12.8 volts) but the battery has little to no capacity - if a load is applied, as ritcheyvs said, the voltage drops precipitously or "collapses". Measure across the battery with your meter will show this, as a good battery will show a small voltage drop as a load is applied, then will typically rebound a little as internal chemistry and temperature rise a bit.

good luck,

bumper

Oh my gosh I never knew I could check across the battery terminals. I just got the voltmeter and this is great help!!!!! You guys on TBN are the greatest.
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #23  
Oh my gosh I never knew I could check across the battery terminals. I just got the voltmeter and this is great help!!!!! You guys on TBN are the greatest.

Stick with us, Kid, we'll teach you the ropes! :thumbsup:
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where.
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   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #25  
No kidding! I'm a 50 year old kid though!!:cool2:

Gotcha by almost 20. Brain says "still a kid", body says, "you must be *kidding*".

"There are those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened."

bumper
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where.
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Ok so I finally had time to get back to it yesterday. What a simple thing to fix now that I know how to properly troubleshoot (thanks to you guys). Turns out the issue was the POS battery cable. The cable was bad where it was soldered to the cable end. When I worked with it sometimes I got voltage, sometimes a more, sometimes less, sometimes none hence all the other confusing symptoms. Hooray!!! She is all fixed.

Now that I look back I have had this problem for at least 3 years. I probably replaced the battery for no reason simply because I did not know how to properly test the voltage. Thanks a lot for the help.
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #27  
Excellent! Good job tracking it down. Amazing how something so simple can be so difficult to track down until one has the 'TBN/Kioti team' on the case.:thumbsup::laughing:
Nice to know you've solved something that's been buggin' for 3 years.
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #28  
I am glad you got it fixed, I was going to offer my two cents, but I saw the advice you were getting was good, so I decided to just sit still and watch. Sometimes too many advisers just confuse things. Again I am glad the "team" came through for you.:thumbsup:
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #29  
Ok so I finally had time to get back to it yesterday. What a simple thing to fix now that I know how to properly troubleshoot (thanks to you guys). Turns out the issue was the POS battery cable. ... She is all fixed. ... Now that I look back I have had this problem for at least 3 years. I probably replaced the battery for no reason simply because I did not know how to properly test the voltage. Thanks a lot for the help.

Hopefully we have a new convert to the philosophy of troubleshooting vs swapping likely parts. Electrical stuff does require a volt meter (aka multi meter) unless a person can see electrons. But if a person can understand water running through pipes, he can understand simple 12 volt circuits (with, perhaps, a few hints along the way).

To the OP: ATTABOY
 
   / CK30 won't start again, must be low voltage but where. #30  
Glad you got it going, and so appreciative of the great Kioti help team on TBN.
 

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