Climate Change Discussion

[turbo36]

First, no, I did not say that or imply that. I said I am selective about what I read, that does not mean that I select only material that supports my beliefs.

Second, I never claimed to be open minded. My mind is thoroughly closed to specious garbage of any kind or persuasion. Is yours?

Third, you must not have seen my last two long (boring) posts in which I stated that I was reading the report and in which I was giving my impression.

I may be preaching to the choir, after all they are just sinners who can sing. But who are you preaching too?

Preaching? No, all I'm doing is asking questions, you can (and will) read into them what you want based on the nature of your character.

My mind is open but that doesn't mean that I don't have strong beliefs. My beliefs are strong because I keep an open mind and eagerly seek out those that would test my faith. I'm never afraid of a contrary idea nor do I take offense when hear one.

 

[BobRip]

A friend found a link (Growing_Glaciers) that states that there are many glaciers that are growing including Antarticia and Greeland. Seems to contradict the global warming issue. I am really in doubt about anything one way or the other now.

 

[Tig]

Wow, I need a proof reader. In my last post I meant to say "that was not the report".
Hmmm, N80 you seem anxious to not read the full report, but I bet you will. I expect that they will post the climate change report in a format similar to the CO2 report available on the IPCC home page. IPCC Special Report on Carbon dioxide Capture and Storage

BobRip, a glacier flows like a river, but very slowly. A growing glacier could mean either more snow is falling at the top or less ice is melting at the bottom.

 

[riptides]

Wow, I need a proof reader. In my last post I meant to say "that was not the report".
Hmmm, N80 you seem anxious to not read the full report, but I bet you will. I expect that they will post the climate change report in a format similar to the CO2 report available on the IPCC home page. IPCC Special Report on Carbon dioxide Capture and Storage

BobRip, a glacier flows like a river, but very slowly. A growing glacier could mean either more snow is falling at the top or less ice is melting at the bottom.

According to a lot of people in this discussion, the originator of these type reports are not to be trusted. They are political bodies with UN mandates and are interested in redistribution of the worlds wealth. Besides mankind cannot influence the balance of the planet by anything he or she does. That would be god like of us. Best for us to gobble it up, burn it up, spew it forth, lest someone else do it first. Because no one but us, can be trusted to do it right.

I have enjoyed this discussion, some interesting opinions and sources have come from it. Thank you.

-Mike Z.

 

[turbo36]

According to a lot of people in this discussion, the originator of these type reports are not to be trusted. They are political bodies with UN mandates and are interested in redistribution of the worlds wealth. Besides mankind cannot influence the balance of the planet by anything he or she does. That would be god like of us. Best for us to gobble it up, burn it up, spew it forth, lest someone else do it first. Because no one but us, can be trusted to do it right.

I have enjoyed this discussion, some interesting opinions and sources have come from it. Thank you.

-Mike Z.

I think you "hit the nail on the head" with that statement. Well said.

 

[IH3444]

What is heating the earth????? Look to your left. It's the sun.......
The real deal?

 

[N80]

According to a lot of people in this discussion, the originator of these type reports are not to be trusted.

I would agree with that statement. Until they give us a reason to trust them, why should we? Do you trust them? If so, why? I can tell you why I don't, can you tell me why you do?

They are political bodies

They are attached to the UN. The UN is undeniably a political body with political agendas. The UN wouldn't deny it. Having a scientific body attached to a political body might not raise flags for you, but it should.

with UN mandates and are interested in redistribution of the worlds wealth.

The UN and its World Bank are, in fact, in the business of redistribution of the worlds' wealth. That is what they do in a nutshell. Again, the UN wouldn't even deny that. Is it unfair to suspect that a study sanctioned by the UN might be enfluenced by UN politics? Would it be logical not to take that into consideration?

Besides mankind cannot influence the balance of the planet by anything he or she does.

I don't think that actually represents anyone's opinion. There is a big difference between having an enfluence on and causing the problem at hand.

Best for us to gobble it up, burn it up, spew it forth, lest someone else do it first. Because no one but us, can be trusted to do it right.

No, that's just your unfair and insulting stereotype of anyone who doesn't blindly accept everything that the global warming movement says. As I mentioned before, such movements are totally intolerant to dissent.

I have enjoyed this discussion, some interesting opinions and sources have come from it. Thank you.

-Mike Z.

Me too.

 

[N80]

BobRip, a glacier flows like a river, but very slowly. A growing glacier could mean either more snow is falling at the top or less ice is melting at the bottom.

One of the pieces in the global warming puzzle is the glaciers and ice melts accounting for sea level rise. This report sees this as a trend. No one is currently denying that ice in Greenland and the arctic is melting, but there is a significant debate as to whether this is a trend or not. Apparently there is a very real possibility that this is a very short term event as similar events have occurred in the past. There is no mention of this debate in the current report.

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm not as smart as most of you, nor do I have much of an education, so I filter out things in a more basic manner.

I pretty much trust and believe most of what I'm told until I know it's a lie. Then I lose all faith in anything else I'm told by that source. When talking about something I don't know anything about, I find a topic that I have a little knowledge on and see if I'm being lied to about that. If so, then everything else I've been told is suspect.

Global Warming has failed my simple test. Reading the full report is a waste of time since those who are writing it are proven liers with political agendas.

Here is a good site that spends there time examining and debunking these people.

JunkScience.com -- Steven Milloy, Publisher

I also read this story and was really impress at how much sense it makes.

Statistics needed

I don't know Canadian papers, or the National Post, so maybe Tig or some of the others that live there can let me know of the papers reputation? I know that anything written in the New York Times is gonna be politically motivated without any foundation, so I'd be interested if the Post is the same way.

Eddie

 

[thingy]

People in the upper midwest could do for some warming about now I bet,,I live in southern w.va. and I'm ready for some to,,[and winters just a little over half over here],,,,you know,if the globe is really warming,I'm thinking that might be a good thing,for most anyways,,,,thingy