Climate Change Discussion

[N80]

Mr. Gore's movie won an Oscar for best documentary film. The way I see it, the debate is now over. The Academy has spoken and it is, after all, the The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and SCIENCES! What more is there to say?

Mr. Gore also announced that global warming is a MORAL issue. Now, for those of you who don't dabble in the world of existentialism (and I'd suggest that you don't), the irony of such a statement might be lost on you. But to put things in a nutshell, for the existential society/culture championed by the left, there is no basis for absolutes. If there are no absolutes there can be no morals. (And Mr. Gore's long time boss pretty much proved that theory right there in the Oval Office with his dear friend Monica.) To be admonished on a moral basis by Hollywood's poster child for the left and leftist culutre is approaching the absurd.

But again, the august Academy has now cast the issue in a gold statue. Who am I to doubt them?

I would, however, if granted a moments time with the Wizards of Oz that run that show, like to ask one small question: Isn't a documentary supposed to be non-fiction?

 

[EddieWalker]

[/QUOTE] I CHALLENGE YOU!!!!!: DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO GO SEE THE AL GORE MOVIE??????
See the movie and come back with a new message then.[/QUOTE]

I freely admit to not having seen the movie, nor do I plan to. The reason is that so much of it has been proven false, misleading or an outright lie.

As of today, I have never met anybody who has seen the movie tell me that they believe everything that's in the movie. The best that I've been told is that it makes you think, and that we should do something.

There is more and more in the news about the increase of overall mass in Antarctica. Those claiming that the oceans are rising will only site those pictures of one little area of Antarctica that broke off to create those icebergs. The rest of Antarctica has accumulated more mass!!! What does that mean?

Greenland has quite a few glaciers. One was melting at what we were being told was an alarming rate. We now know that it's only melted less then one percent and has since stoped melting and is increasing in size again.

There is no evidence of the average global tempature rising in the last 7 years. In fact, it's decreased an insigificant amount.

Mr. Gore is making millions of dollars by telling us a small part of the story, and ignoring anything that says otherwise. Why won't he tell the entire story and why ignore all the facts. The most common response to those who doubt Global Warming is to attack them, or accuse them of something. Never do we hear a supporter of Global Warming address the points of those who disagree, and tell us why those views are wrong.

I challenge you to either admit to believing that the entire movie is truthful and honest, or admit that it's not. You can't have it either way. If part of it is a lie full of misleading information, than all of it is suspect.

For more proof that Mr. Gore doesn't believe in Global Warming himself, or the message that he's preaching, read this little tidbit about his energy usage at one of his homes.

Tennessee Center for Policy Research

USAToday did a story on Mr. Gore and his private jet travel.

Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe - USATODAY.com

Is there a leader or proponent of Golobal Warming that actualy believes this other than a few Hollywood actors? Or are they all using it as a means to raise money, gain political cloute and stay in the news?

Eddie

 

[IH3444]

The Education of Al Gore [Free Republic]

 

[dmccarty]

You think Rush doesn't present himself as a journalist?
"I am America's anchorman"
Here is the link.
Who's a Journalist? It Depends. - washingtonpost.com

I don't care HOW Rush presents himself. Lots of new readers present themselves as "Journalists" I can only think of one possible person who lives up to the ideal of a "Journalist" and I can't even remember her name.

One.

Here is what I said.

Again, I have heard Rush ONCE around 1990 but I sure don't consider him a journalist. He is a talking head putting across his view point. I put him in the same boat as Oprah, Dr Phil, Donohue, etc. At least he says just Kidding which is more than most Journalist do.

By the way, I would add Rather, Brokow, etc., to the list of Talking Heads. At least with Rush you know which side he is on. Rather and his ilk talk the talk that they are unbiased when it fact they are very biased. Which is worse?

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

For more proof that Mr. Gore doesn't believe in Global Warming himself, or the message that he's preaching, read this little tidbit about his energy usage at one of his homes.

Mr. Gore has responded to the charges that he uses more electricity in one of hims three homes than an average homes does in one year.

MyFox Washington DC | Gore Responds to Charges His House Uses Too Much Electricity

He doesn't deny his energy use, but feels that the use of solar panels, compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy-saving technology, along with buying carbon offsets make up for his energy use. His energy use is dramtically up since he made the movie, so the only defense he's offering is the buying of carbon offsets.

What is a carbon offset?

How does this work?

Eddie

 

[RedRocker]

A carbon offset is what rich delusional people use to rationalize their opulent lifestyle. How else can you fly a private jet to Hollyweird and take a stretch limo to a function and lambaste some working stiff for driving a Suburban?

 

[dmccarty]

A carbon offset is what rich delusional people use to rationalize their opulent lifestyle. How else can you fly a private jet to Hollyweird and take a stretch limo to a function and lambaste some working stiff for driving a Suburban?

So funny but so true.

The offsets are things like planting trees that help negate the CO2/Carbon you have produced/used.

But RedRocker's defintion is much more accurate than mine.

Later,
Dan

 

[SkyPup]

A carbon offset is what rich delusional people use to rationalize their opulent lifestyle. How else can you fly a private jet to Hollyweird and take a stretch limo to a function and lambaste some working stiff for driving a Suburban?

You got that exactly right!

Not to mention the majority of his audience he was speaking to were all wearing custom Dior, Armenii, etc. suits and dresses with jewerly and watches worth more than the average American working mans entire HOME is worth......

 

[EddieWalker]

You got that exactly right!

Not to mention the majority of his audience he was speaking to were all wearing custom Dior, Armenii, etc. suits and dresses with jewerly and watches worth more than the average American working mans entire HOME is worth......

Overall, your correct, but there are some exceptions.

Our local news had a lady on there program last year who is a profesional seat filler. She goes to the award shows to fill an empty seat. You name it, she's been there. Her airfare, hotel and clothing are paid for, plus she gets paid a salery on top of that.

The reason is the show promoters cannot have empty seats. It's too risky to put just anybody in them because of all the celebrities. You just don't know what will happen, or if the celebrity might be annoyed.

So there is this group of people that are flown in to all the award shows all over the country. The lady in the interview said she didn't know how many people like her there were, or she wouldn't say. Either way, they are out there filling seats.

They behave around the stars, clap or laugh when they are supposed to and never do anything negative. Paid performers to fill a seat.

Eddie

 

[RedRocker]

Where do you apply for a job like that?

 

[N80]

Carbon offsets are the surest sign of a morally sick society that I've ever seen.

I would also like to answer the question "Do you have the guts to see the Al Gore movie?"

No, I most certainly do not.

 

[MikePA]

What is a carbon offset?

In the religion of Global Warming 'Carbon Offset' is the equivalent of doing penance (a punishment undergone in token of penitence for sin.) in the Catholic religion. It's how members of the Church of Global Warming pay (literally) for the 'sin' of using carbon based fuels.

This is not a 'dig' at the Catholic religion, it's simply one more example of how GW has become a religion, not to mention Gore said at the Oscars dealing with GW is a moral issue. In other words, it's not science, it doesn't matter how much it costs to 'fix', it doesn't matter how many new govt regulations it takes, e.g., banning standard light bulbs in Australia, it must be addressed.

 

[IH3444]

The high priest of GW, and his disciples........
YouTube - Mr Roboto

The UN needs to inform the sun about these new regulations.....
VOA News - Climate Panel Recommends Global Temperature Ceiling, Carbon Tax

 

[vmarc]

In the religion of Global Warming 'Carbon Offset' is the equivalent of doing penance (a punishment undergone in token of penitence for sin.) in the Catholic religion. It's how members of the Church of Global Warming pay (literally) for the 'sin' of using carbon based fuels.

This is not a 'dig' at the Catholic religion, it's simply one more example of how GW has become a religion, not to mention Gore said at the Oscars dealing with GW is a moral issue. In other words, it's not science, it doesn't matter how much it costs to 'fix', it doesn't matter how many new govt regulations it takes, e.g., banning standard light bulbs in Australia, it must be addressed.

Your analogy is fuzzy.It is not the penance that forgives sin,it is the realization that you've done something wrong and are ready to atone for what you've done.Not only that,you must correct and make right any damage you have done.Penance is a period of reflection and meditation to get your mind right.You cannot commit the same sin and "pay" for it by doing penance.The last words a priest says when you make confession is "sin no more"........So you see the Church of Global Warming is nothing like the Catholic church........If I was very religious I might be a little mad at you.

 

[MikePA]

Your analogy is fuzzy.It is not the penance that forgives sin,it is the realization that you've done something wrong and are ready to atone for what you've done.Not only that,you must correct and make right any damage you have done.Penance is a period of reflection and meditation to get your mind right.You cannot commit the same sin and "pay" for it by doing penance.The last words a priest says when you make confession is "sin no more"........So you see the Church of Global Warming is nothing like the Catholic church........If I was very religious I might be a little mad at you.

You must have missed my comment that my post wasn't a dig at the Catholic church. You must have also missed the definition of penance. And I never said the Church of GW was like the Catholic church.

 

[rogdan]

It seems we got off on a tangent in this thread Brown clashes with Orange. I though I'd start a subject on it's own.

I've come to believe that:
1 - We are in the midst of climate change
2 - It is "our" fault
3 - I am going to do something about it now

So what am I doing about it? - reducing my family's CO2 emmisions & reliance on fossil fuels as much as practicle.

Check here for a carbon calculator

1- Paying 2 cents more for renewable (wind & hydro) electricity that does not emit CO2 (every kwH produces ~1.5 lbs CO2)

2- Traded my truck for a car that gets 2X better fuel milage (every gallon of gas burned produces 22 lbs)

3- Considering geothermal (ground source heat pump) heat for my house to minimize natural gas use.

4- Trying to convince my wife that we should buy a hybrid & park her SUV unless we need the capacity - weekend trips vs. her commute to work.

5- Plan to install Solar PV panels on my roof.

6- Reduce energy use, CF bulbs, better insulation etc.

7- Buying biodiesel for my tractor (see it is related)

8- Support renewable energy "in my backyard" (wind projects off the Mass coast etc.)



I consider myself conservative and think much in way as N80 describes. I have been interested in such projects as listed above but what is the price tag? The most basic wind generation I have seen is $10,000 and this is not near the level to maintain a home. Green conservatives are out there I did have some interesting links saved on an older computer. I would describe it as Libertarian in being energy independant and living off the grid ect..

 

[N80]

Here is one of those carbon offset deals:

TerraPass | Prevent global warming, reduce carbon dioxide pollution, promote alternative energy

It is a guilt pass. The message is: pollute all you want without feeling guilty about it. We'll give you a bumper sticker that proves you are smart, aware and doing something to make the world a better place. We would be glad to sell you a hat or a t-shirt that says the same thing.

I cannot describe the contempt that I have for such organizations and the people who send them money. I have respect for the hippie who rides his bike everywhere to conserve energy and decrease his carbon output. But the folks that do this carbon offset deal are the ones that give environmentalists a bad name. If you think carbon emissions are bad, cut back on them, don't pay someone else to do it for you. Sure, help fund low carbon projects, but not so that you can feel free to fund your own carbon habit. What a distinctly American form of guilt and American form of assuaging guilt.

Makes me mad and sick just thinking about it.

 

[MikePA]

The message is: pollute all you want without feeling guilty about it.

Carbon Indulgences.

 

[dmccarty]

I agree with Mike's earlier comparison of GW to religion. I think there is much truth in that argument. Carbon offsets are just like the old idea of selling indulgences.

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm probably confusing this, but wasn't it common practice a few centuries ago to offer charity of some sort to the church in return for your sins being dismissed?

It didn't really matter how evil you were, or how many people you killed, all you had to do was give the desired amount, and you had a free ticket to heaven?

Seems like the same thing with the Carbon Credits. Mr. Gore uses more energy for his home in one month that the rest of us do in one year, but because he pays off some "group" he's absolved of all his sins.

Too bad they couldn't figure out his totaly usage for all three homes and his travel. His hypocrycy is overwhelming.

Eddie

PS Anybody willing to admit that they watched his movie and believe it's true?