Climate Change Discussion

[riptides]

Mike brings up an excellent point. How do we create an experiment?

Unfortunate that one cannot experiment on a planetary scale. So one builds models, yet some suspect the data, the model itself and the motives of the modellers. So it all comes down to who can you trust. And here we are.

-Mike Z.

 

[BTDT]

Instead of "Related Topics", they should change the name of this forum to "The Barber Shop", and put one of the Candy Striped things like they had in front of the old shops. This is like sitting around on a Saturday morning waiting for a hair cut, no telling what might come up.

 

[MikePA]

Instead of spending a trillion dollars on war, we could have invested within our own country and continue to make oil, irrelevant to our future.

Money spent on social programs dwarfs the Defense Department budget.

Smarter fuel standards...

What are 'smarter' fuel standards?

rebuilding public mass transit systems,

By and large this benefits urban centers and does less for suburban and almost nothing for rural areas.

gas and oil taxes, with those funds going to public transportation would help.

Sending more tax dollars to the government doesn't solve the problem, e.g., the Social Security fund is supposed to be dedicated to Social Security but that's a fiction. The same fate awaits any gas, oil and 'windfall profits' taxes earmarked to solve this problem. How many times does government have to fail on promises to solve our problems before more people become skeptical of any solution, e.g., carbon tax, that involves sending more money to Washington?

 

[mjarrels]

This thread is beginning to remind me of a story I once heard:

Private was given a container... looks like a crock of sh##.

Flag officer was given the same container... rich and promotes growth.

mark

 

[Tig]

they should change the name of this forum to "The Barber Shop"

I like that
I was thinking it could be called "The Bull Pen"

 

[dmccarty]

Unfortunate that one cannot experiment on a planetary scale. So one builds models, yet some suspect the data, the model itself and the motives of the modellers. So it all comes down to who can you trust. And here we are.

-Mike Z.

Years ago, Maybe a decade or two, I saw a report on one of the major new networks about the Computer Model That Predicted The Future Climate. It was all Gloom and Doom. Flocks of Chicken Little flying around screaming the sky was falling. The "model" predicted that the US bread baskets would be a dust bowl. The Sahara would be a bread basket. All sorts of extremes. Then the "model" builders admitted that if they put in todays numbers into the system, they DID NOT GET TODAYS REALITIES.

Their "model" could predict the future but not today. Hmmm... I LMAO when they admitted this but it was good enough to be put on the major "news" networks.

When the models can't predict todays weather I don't put much weight that they can predict the weather X years from now.

Later,
Dan

 

[turbo36]

Money spent on social programs dwarfs the Defense Department budget.

Actually Military spending is around 30% of the total federal budget or higher if you count military retirement and benefits as well as the military research projects that are hidden in the education budget.

National Priorities Project - Where do your tax dollar go? Notes and Sources


Below is a link showing how we compare to the rest of the world, keep in mind a single B2 bomber costs 2.2 Billion dollars.

MIT CIS: Publications: Foreign Policy Index

 

[Doc_Bob]

If I had any doubts that this group's conclusions were based on ideological/political leanings before, they are completely erased. This report is so much smoke and mirrors. A real joke. But not a funny one. It will be a media hit and in that regard may be far more valuable as propaganda than science. The uncritical masses will eat it up like sheep. The easily lead will be easily lead.

Another person joins the folds of the non-believers. Welcome to the club!

My only question is what will replace "mankind is responsible to global warming" fear that the press and the left has been promoting? How about McDonalds is responsible for obesity? (oops, they already did that one )
Bob

 

[BTDT]

How about McDonalds is responsible for obesity?

I thought they were responsible for stupidity. Spill "hot" coffee on yourself, and they are responsible.

 

[Egon]

There is a little more to the spilt hot coffee than just spilling coffee. It was all about saving money.