Climate Change Discussion

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EddieWalker and
IH3444

Interesting, do you think mankind has influenced global climatic change?

-Mike Z.

 

[EddieWalker]

Hi Mike,

No, or if so, it's very minimal.

Things like polution and smog are things we're responsible for and in many cases, the damage is unrepairable. Cities, roads, and the cutting up of the land for homes has also done tremendous damage to the planet. They have led to terrible losses to wildlife and habitat, but we're nowhere near to changing the planets tempature because of it.

I just don't think we're big enough to make these changes. I think that if the people predicting global warmning lost there funding and political clout over it, they wouldn't be pushing it either. This seems to be the only scientific fiels that is based on "maybe" and "probably." There best argument for global warming is that it's not worth the risk if they are wrong. That's a dumb argument because we risk our lives every day just getting out of bed. How they have decided that a risk that they have invented is more important than any other is a mystery to me. But what realy boggles my mind is they are only willing to tell everyone else how to live there lives, but not change there own.

When those people who are telling the rest of the world actually do something themselves to stop raising the tempature, then maybe I'll give them a littel credibilty. Did anybody canch Richard Branson's reward for cleaning the planet of CO2? He's one of the big leaders in telling the rest of us how to live, but just says that if he stops flying his airline, (Virgin) somebody else will take over. Anybody want to guess how much CO2 his company is putting into the atmoshere? He's a hypocryte that expects us to do as he tells us, but doesn't do it himself.

Nope, I don't think he or any of the others actually believe this stuff. If they did, they would be able to prove it and not threaten, attack and censor those who disagree with them.

Why are the ice caps on Mars melting? Did we raise the CO2 levels there too? Maybe it's the sun that's causeing all this? I know it's sort of the simple, most obvious reason, but I've often found that's also the right answer most of the time.

Eddie

 

[EddieWalker]

Let me add to this again.

National Geographic Channel had a show about global warming. It was very slanted towards the end of the world, doom and gloom side. One segement focuses on the glacier melt in Greenland and how fast it's happening. They had a Scientist from Colorado there who was telling us how fast it's melting and that the increase is because of global warming. When the ice melts, it sends water under the glacier and the glacier moves because it's now slippery underneath and the entire process speeds up. This kind of makes sense to me, but I don't know either way.

Today on BREITBART.COM - Study: Glacier melting can be variable it says that Scientist from Boulder Colorado have found that the glaciers in Greenland are melting at variable rates and not in increasing trend. They said that they cannont predict the future trends of the glaciers.

One side sensationalizes it, anther says it's too early to know what's happening or why it's happening. Who you gonna believe?

There was another story that sais the tempature of the planet has not changed since 1999 until today. In fact, it's lowered and insignificant amount. I've also noticed that the previous tempature increase for the last century has changed from one degree celcius, to .7 degree celcius. A 30% reduction. I want to know what there margin of error is? I also want to know how accurate there tempatures were compared to todays standards?

And of course, if global warming is linked to COs levels or mans activities on the planet, why has the planet stoped warming over the last 7 years? Are CO2 levels down? Are there fewer poeple? Are we burning less fuel? No to all those questions, so what's causing the planet to remain the same tempature?

Could it be he sun?

Eddie

 

[IH3444]

Rip, of course man is contributing, by deforestation, and burning of fossil fuels. Millions of radiators pouring heat into the atmosphere can't be disputed. Do I think that man is causing global warming? Nope. The sun is not an absolute constant, as well as our orbit around it. These are just two examples of events that do affect how much energy reaches the earth. We are now at the slightly downward part of the curve of the suns peek output. The sun has this 22 year cycle of higher, and lower energy output. Eddie is right on the money about the jet planes spewing out fantastic amounts of CO2, and the hyprocity of it. I've been on 727's when there were only 6 passangers.....was I happy to get where I was going? Darn tooting! Did the 6 passanger tickets even cover the fuel bill? Don't know, but I doubt it. We live in this world of jet liner transportation, and vacations that many "need" to take to see other parts of the world. Many of these people are the biggest advocates of the global warming doom and gloom crowd. The earth has existed for 100s of millions of years, and at times has been much warmer than today. Did global warming kill the dinosaures? Nope again! An E.L.E. did, which is more of a real world worry than global warming. Not in our life time, but a real concern. Everything that we have accomplished as a species can be wiped out in a blink of an eye. Forget all that Hollywood sifi about saving the planet, won't happen. Working in the research field of weapons, I learned great respect for a topic called, "High Velocity Impact Dynamics". Global warming is just another phase the earth is going through. If the russian climate scientist is right about the suns cycles, we will be cooling off in another 10 years. So the policy should be well in place by then to redistribute the wealth under the fear flag of global warming. Oh yea, I stopped taking the National Geo mag.....years ago. Too politically slanted. Machivelli's book, "The Prince" should be required reading in High School. In it he states, everyone wants to be loved, but to be feared is the greater motivator. Now to persuade the masses to do as the leaders want, the fear of global warming is perfect. If you have to pick between global warming, and a new ice age Rip, I hope you can make a good decision.....I know I can. Asteroid Impact May Wipe out Life on Earth in 2035 — Russian Scientists - NEWS - MOSNEWS.COM

 

[SkyPup]

The largest single contributor to global warming is livestock -> cattle, pigs, goats, sheep, chickens, etc., they emit more greenhouse gases per annum than all the power plants and automobiles put together do.

At least it is good to know that the previous global cooling event that happened ten years ago caused the current global warming event that is occuring now and ten years from now global cooling will be of great international concern once again.....

 

[IH3444]

Thought it was the termites farting, but cows do pass a lot of gas.....

On another note:

HOUSE HEARING ON 'WARMING OF THE PLANET' CANCELED AFTER ICE STORM
HEARING NOTICE
Tue Feb 13 2007 19:31:25 ET

The Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality hearing scheduled for Wednesday, February 14, 2007, at 10:00 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building has been postponed due to inclement weather. The hearing is entitled “Climate Change: Are Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Human Activities Contributing to a Warming of the Planet?”

The hearing will be rescheduled to a date and time to be announced later.

DC WEATHER REPORT:

Wednesday: Freezing rain in the morning. Total ice accumulation between one half to three quarters of an inch. Brisk with highs in the mid 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph...increasing to northwest 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.

Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy. Lows around 18. Northwest winds around 20 mph.
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Bummer, really wanted to hear what these critical thinker had to say....

 

[N80]

I don't remember which types of emissions but in that recent UN report (for those intrepid enough to wade through it) there is a table or graph listing manmade gases that have a net cooling effect.

So here is the question. If warming is bad, is cooling good? The emissions that cause cooling are still pollution, but if cooling is good, are they good pollution? Give a Hoot, Let's Pollute!

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Somewhat ironic

Maryville Univ. in St. Louis area cancelling screening of Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' because of a snowstorm.

 

[dmccarty]

Cooling is bad. Unless we reach an extreme with heating we can still grow food and survive. A couple of degrees of warming, which is what I keep hearing is the amount for GW, is just not a big deal for most places/people/crops. And the number of degrees of heating by GW keeps going down.

Try to grow a tomato with snow on the ground. The years with no summer that happened in the early 1800s caused starvation and migration of people from New England.

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

Just a thought, but if the glaciers melt and the planet is warmer, won't we have more rain? What exactly is the downside to global warming besides realestate values and new coastlines? For what we loose on the coast, we'll gain in the mountains without the glaciers. I'm just curous what is expected to happen that is so bad when the plantet is a few degrees warmer?

Eddie