Climate Change Discussion

[N80]

Carbon offsets are the surest sign of a morally sick society that I've ever seen.

I would also like to answer the question "Do you have the guts to see the Al Gore movie?"

No, I most certainly do not.

 

[MikePA]

What is a carbon offset?

In the religion of Global Warming 'Carbon Offset' is the equivalent of doing penance (a punishment undergone in token of penitence for sin.) in the Catholic religion. It's how members of the Church of Global Warming pay (literally) for the 'sin' of using carbon based fuels.

This is not a 'dig' at the Catholic religion, it's simply one more example of how GW has become a religion, not to mention Gore said at the Oscars dealing with GW is a moral issue. In other words, it's not science, it doesn't matter how much it costs to 'fix', it doesn't matter how many new govt regulations it takes, e.g., banning standard light bulbs in Australia, it must be addressed.

 

[IH3444]

The high priest of GW, and his disciples........
YouTube - Mr Roboto

The UN needs to inform the sun about these new regulations.....
VOA News - Climate Panel Recommends Global Temperature Ceiling, Carbon Tax

 

[vmarc]

In the religion of Global Warming 'Carbon Offset' is the equivalent of doing penance (a punishment undergone in token of penitence for sin.) in the Catholic religion. It's how members of the Church of Global Warming pay (literally) for the 'sin' of using carbon based fuels.

This is not a 'dig' at the Catholic religion, it's simply one more example of how GW has become a religion, not to mention Gore said at the Oscars dealing with GW is a moral issue. In other words, it's not science, it doesn't matter how much it costs to 'fix', it doesn't matter how many new govt regulations it takes, e.g., banning standard light bulbs in Australia, it must be addressed.

Your analogy is fuzzy.It is not the penance that forgives sin,it is the realization that you've done something wrong and are ready to atone for what you've done.Not only that,you must correct and make right any damage you have done.Penance is a period of reflection and meditation to get your mind right.You cannot commit the same sin and "pay" for it by doing penance.The last words a priest says when you make confession is "sin no more"........So you see the Church of Global Warming is nothing like the Catholic church........If I was very religious I might be a little mad at you.

 

[MikePA]

Your analogy is fuzzy.It is not the penance that forgives sin,it is the realization that you've done something wrong and are ready to atone for what you've done.Not only that,you must correct and make right any damage you have done.Penance is a period of reflection and meditation to get your mind right.You cannot commit the same sin and "pay" for it by doing penance.The last words a priest says when you make confession is "sin no more"........So you see the Church of Global Warming is nothing like the Catholic church........If I was very religious I might be a little mad at you.

You must have missed my comment that my post wasn't a dig at the Catholic church. You must have also missed the definition of penance. And I never said the Church of GW was like the Catholic church.

 

[rogdan]

It seems we got off on a tangent in this thread Brown clashes with Orange. I though I'd start a subject on it's own.

I've come to believe that:
1 - We are in the midst of climate change
2 - It is "our" fault
3 - I am going to do something about it now

So what am I doing about it? - reducing my family's CO2 emmisions & reliance on fossil fuels as much as practicle.

Check here for a carbon calculator

1- Paying 2 cents more for renewable (wind & hydro) electricity that does not emit CO2 (every kwH produces ~1.5 lbs CO2)

2- Traded my truck for a car that gets 2X better fuel milage (every gallon of gas burned produces 22 lbs)

3- Considering geothermal (ground source heat pump) heat for my house to minimize natural gas use.

4- Trying to convince my wife that we should buy a hybrid & park her SUV unless we need the capacity - weekend trips vs. her commute to work.

5- Plan to install Solar PV panels on my roof.

6- Reduce energy use, CF bulbs, better insulation etc.

7- Buying biodiesel for my tractor (see it is related)

8- Support renewable energy "in my backyard" (wind projects off the Mass coast etc.)



I consider myself conservative and think much in way as N80 describes. I have been interested in such projects as listed above but what is the price tag? The most basic wind generation I have seen is $10,000 and this is not near the level to maintain a home. Green conservatives are out there I did have some interesting links saved on an older computer. I would describe it as Libertarian in being energy independant and living off the grid ect..

 

[N80]

Here is one of those carbon offset deals:

TerraPass | Prevent global warming, reduce carbon dioxide pollution, promote alternative energy

It is a guilt pass. The message is: pollute all you want without feeling guilty about it. We'll give you a bumper sticker that proves you are smart, aware and doing something to make the world a better place. We would be glad to sell you a hat or a t-shirt that says the same thing.

I cannot describe the contempt that I have for such organizations and the people who send them money. I have respect for the hippie who rides his bike everywhere to conserve energy and decrease his carbon output. But the folks that do this carbon offset deal are the ones that give environmentalists a bad name. If you think carbon emissions are bad, cut back on them, don't pay someone else to do it for you. Sure, help fund low carbon projects, but not so that you can feel free to fund your own carbon habit. What a distinctly American form of guilt and American form of assuaging guilt.

Makes me mad and sick just thinking about it.

 

[MikePA]

The message is: pollute all you want without feeling guilty about it.

Carbon Indulgences.

 

[dmccarty]

I agree with Mike's earlier comparison of GW to religion. I think there is much truth in that argument. Carbon offsets are just like the old idea of selling indulgences.

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

I'm probably confusing this, but wasn't it common practice a few centuries ago to offer charity of some sort to the church in return for your sins being dismissed?

It didn't really matter how evil you were, or how many people you killed, all you had to do was give the desired amount, and you had a free ticket to heaven?

Seems like the same thing with the Carbon Credits. Mr. Gore uses more energy for his home in one month that the rest of us do in one year, but because he pays off some "group" he's absolved of all his sins.

Too bad they couldn't figure out his totaly usage for all three homes and his travel. His hypocrycy is overwhelming.

Eddie

PS Anybody willing to admit that they watched his movie and believe it's true?