Climate Change Discussion

[IH3444]

Greenhouse sceptics to congregate - National - theage.com.au

 

[MikePA]

I'm probably confusing this, but wasn't it common practice a few centuries ago to offer charity of some sort to the church in return for your sins being dismissed?

American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition - Cite This Source
indulgence

In the Roman Catholic Church, a declaration by church authorities that those who say certain prayers or do good deeds will have some or all of their punishment in purgatory remitted.

Note: In the Middle Ages, indulgences were frequently sold, and the teaching on indulgences was often distorted. The attack by Martin Luther on the sale of indulgences began the Reformation.

 

[LMTC]

Eddie, I suspect you are referring to Papal Bulls (which I think were technically the lead seal on a document, including the purchased document granting remission of sin), wherein one could pay a certain amount and be freed from x number of years in purgatory. Kind of a "pay as you sin" program. There were also indulgences, referenced in a post above, which were a remission or forgiveness of a sin or sins, and eventually these were offered for a price...a cash price that is. Someone with better history knowledge of the Roman Catholic church might help us out here as I probably have some of the particualrs twisted, but this was clearly a corruption of the message of the Gospel, and was eventually discontinued.

oops...just peeked and Mike beat me.

 

[IH3444]

The Effect of Solar Variability on Climate

 

[vmarc]

I agree with Mike's earlier comparison of GW to religion. I think there is much truth in that argument. Carbon offsets are just like the old idea of selling indulgences.

Later,
Dan

Thats not what he said.He said so.....................I think

 

[MikePA]

Thats not what he said.He said so.....................I think

Thanks, but I can speak for myself.

GW has many aspects of a religion. Dan and I agree.

 

[hazmat]

The original idea behind carbon credits was to minimize the economic impact of reducing CO2 emissions. If an entity was above their limit, they could purchase carbon credits from someone who was below their limit to bring them into compliance. Of course the limits are set by a political body which makes the idea of a "free market" in carbon trading an oxymoron...

The concept makes sense in that it is not economically feasible to shut down a coal power plant that is still within it's usable life in favor of a "greener" technology.

Personal carbon credits are a perversion of the original economic idea and I agree with other's who have called them "indulgences"

In other news it seems that big businesses are taking climate change seriously - perhaps it is simply proactive risk management???

environmentalists hail takeover plan for texas utility

 

[dmccarty]

I noticed that the UN wants to tax those countries exceeding CO2 "limits". Which means the US. They don't say what the UN would do with the money. I'm sure pad more thugs pockets.

The UK was talking about a tax aimed at activities that produce CO2. This meant taxi's, cars, hotels, planes, etc. They never did say what the taxes would then be spent on.

Later,
Dan

 

[EddieWalker]

Don't forget they will only tax select countries. Others will be allowed to polute all the want. I guess there CO2 levels and the amount of polution they put into the atmosphere don't add to global warming. Only select countries have polution that affects Global Warming.

More proof that they don't really believe this and are out looking for a way to raise money.

Eddie

 

[IH3444]

Alright, you've conviniced me. I'll pay the CO2 tax.