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MiserableOldFart

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After much self debate, soul searching and number crunching, I'm close to trading in the esteemed 15 year old TC26DA on a new Workmaster 40. It came down to the Workmaster 40 and the Kubota L3901, and the deciding factor was the stronger loader. Two questions left: which dealer, and getting a hard number on the Boomer 40 to be sure I don't want to spend the extra bucks for it. The primary advantages that I see in the Boomer are a stronger loader still, ease of fueling on my 70 year old body, more comfortable seat, and the telescoping links. I doubt I can be convinced that they warrant the additional cost, but I want to see the numbers. I would consider an LS machine, but I don't want to deal with dealers as far away as they are here in NY state. As it is, I'm looking at 25-50 miles distance to dealers, and that in a town that used to have a local John Deere Dealer, and a local dealer that sold, would you believe, New Holland, Kubota, White, WheelHorse and a few others..
 
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After much self debate, soul searching and number crunching, I'm close to trading in the esteemed 15 year old TC26DA on a new Workmaster 40. It came down to the Workmaster 40 and the Kubota L3901, and the deciding factor was the stronger loader. Two questions left: which dealer, and getting a hard number on the Boomer 40 to be sure I don't want to spend the extra bucks for it. The primary advantages that I see in the Boomer are a stronger loader still, ease of fueling on my 70 year old body, more comfortable seat, and the telescoping links. I doubt I can be convinced that they warrant the additional cost, but I want to see the numbers. I would consider an LS machine, but I don't want to deal with dealers as far away as they are here in NY state. As it is, I'm looking at 25-50 miles distance to dealers, and that in a town that used to have a local John Deere Dealer, and a local dealer that sold, would you believe, New Holland, Kubota, White, WheelHorse and a few others..
Do you REALLY feel the need for a close by dealer?
How many dealer trips did you make over the 15 years with your current tractor?
You can buy all the parts or pieces you might need online, and the nice man in the big brown truck will bring them right to your door.
I live 80 miles from the nearest dealer, and have never had a need for him.
 
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By the sounds done most of your home work,just gotta go with your gut feelings.
 
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Maybe Fried can’t understand why you prefer to buy from a nearby dealer but I sure can.
When I was shopping for a new tractor I traveled over 100 miles one way, some dealers seemed way better than others, there are 2 LS dealers in opposite directions about 40 miles from my home, they both seemed like good dealers but the one I choose to buy from seemed more interested in meeting my wants-needs as best he could, so far I’ve been very happy with my choices and if I ever do need service I’m confident he will be able to handle it.
 
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Maybe Fried can’t understand why you prefer to buy from a nearby dealer but I sure can.
When I was shopping for a new tractor I traveled over 100 miles one way, some dealers seemed way better than others, there are 2 LS dealers in opposite directions about 40 miles from my home, they both seemed like good dealers but the one I choose to buy from seemed more interested in meeting my wants-needs as best he could, so far I’ve been very happy with my choices and if I ever do need service I’m confident he will be able to handle it.
It is really easy for me to explain why not to buy from a tractor dealer.
I have never bought a new tractor, and I can do most repairs myself.
Why would I pay thousands in dealer profit, for zero benefit to me?
 
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It is really easy for me to explain why not to buy from a tractor dealer.
I have never bought a new tractor, and I can do most repairs myself.
Why would I pay thousands in dealer profit, for zero benefit to me?

I ended up buying the last 3 machines I’ve had from the local dealer. But I felt they were pretty fair and if I had found something thousands cheaper I’d have bought it instead. I couldn’t care less about service. I’ve never had a dealer work on my stuff and I don’t plan on starting now. Any dealer will sell parts and in the days of online ordering that’s not a big concern anyway.
 
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What is the advantage to having a dealership nearby? How often did the TC26DA need to go to the dealership for anything? Just how much repair did it need? I'm guessing quite a bit if having a nearby dealer is important. Can't blame you for that, although in that case why buy the same brand?

For that matter, is it a having a dealer nearby that is attractive....or having a capable repair shop? Those might not be the same thing.

Now if you are curious and just wanting to try a new different type of tractor then I can certainly understand that. I'm older than you, but I'm still curious about the new ones and so was my dad.... so if that's your itch, it will probably take a new tractor to make it go away.
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What is the advantage to having a dealership nearby? How often did the TC26DA need to go to the dealership for anything? Just how much repair did it need? I'm guessing quite a bit if having a nearby dealer is important. Can't blame you for that, although in that case why buy the same brand?

For that matter, is it a having a dealer nearby that is attractive....or having a capable repair shop? Those might not be the same thing.

Now if you are curious and just wanting to try a new different type of tractor then I can certainly understand that. I'm older than you, but I'm still curious about the new ones and so was my dad.... so if that's your itch, it will probably take a new tractor to make it go away.
rScotty
The treatment for new tractor "itch" is very expensive, and not covered by my policy!
 
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It is really easy for me to explain why not to buy from a tractor dealer.
I have never bought a new tractor, and I can do most repairs myself.
Why would I pay thousands in dealer profit, for zero benefit to me?
I found that a new tractor wasn't far off in price than a low hour used tractor
 
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I found that a new tractor wasn't far off in price than a low hour used tractor

That's a good point. The prices aren't that much different and probably should be. After all, with the low hour used tractor you know where it stands and have some confidence that it will continue. It's now a proven machine, and getting it to that condition took someone some time, money, and attention to details.

With a brand new tractor, the first owner gets to do all those things himself, and in the process discover all the things that the need to be fixed and deal with them.

Tractors are built a little differently from most consumer goods, so the familiar rules that work for evaluating used cars, trucks, appliances, and power tools don't apply so well. Good tractors are still built to last a lifetime.
rScotty
 
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I found that a new tractor wasn't far off in price than a low hour used tractor

My experience has been the opposite. The last 4 machines I’ve bought have been lower hour machines at a considerable savings over new.
 
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Was that for a larger tractor or small tractor?

Another reason I'm wary of used tractors:

tractor abuse

My experience has been the opposite. The last 4 machines I’ve bought have been lower hour machines at a considerable savings over new.
 
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That's a good point. The prices aren't that much different and probably should be. After all, with the low hour used tractor you know where it stands and have some confidence that it will continue. It's now a proven machine, and getting it to that condition took someone some time, money, and attention to details.

With a brand new tractor, the first owner gets to do all those things himself, and in the process discover all the things that the need to be fixed and deal with them.

Tractors are built a little differently from most consumer goods, so the familiar rules that work for evaluating used cars, trucks, appliances, and power tools don't apply so well. Good tractors are still built to last a lifetime.
rScotty
A used tractor.....depending on it's age, is likely absent the Tier IV crap!
 
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Was that for a larger tractor or small tractor?

Another reason I'm wary of used tractors:

tractor abuse

The last 4 machines I’ve had was a Deere 310 backhoe, Kubota M59, a Kubota KX040, and a Kubota SVL75. If that’s the worst that ever happens to that tractor I’d buy it. He wasn’t ramming the tree it was controlled pushes. Yea I know it’s a loader/scooper not a dozer but practically everyone does that with them. I paid 28k for the Deere with slick tires that cost me another 2k. That’s less than half price on it. The Kubota M59 had 450 hours and I paid $44k. A new one with the options I had was probably 70k. The mini x has 1200 hours and I paid $36k. A new one with the options is for sure over 60k probably pushing 70k. The 75 I paid $42,500 with 700 hours. A new one with a cab is around 60k.
 
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I can see getting better deals on larger machines where $20k savings is real.
 
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The last 4 machines I’ve had was a Deere 310 backhoe, Kubota M59, a Kubota KX040, and a Kubota SVL75. If that’s the worst that ever happens to that tractor I’d buy it. He wasn’t ramming the tree it was controlled pushes. Yea I know it’s a loader/scooper not a dozer but practically everyone does that with them. I paid 28k for the Deere with slick tires that cost me another 2k. That’s less than half price on it. The Kubota M59 had 450 hours and I paid $44k. A new one with the options I had was probably 70k. The mini x has 1200 hours and I paid $36k. A new one with the options is for sure over 60k probably pushing 70k. The 75 I paid $42,500 with 700 hours. A new one with a cab is around 60k.
Hope I am not insulting you, but........we obviously think alike!
 
  
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I look at used tractors online, a lot, and still, I have to say they scare me off. Tractors hold a good deal of their value. A LOT of people buy tractors that are too small and then beat on 'em. A lot of loader buckets look like they have been through a war. Part of buying a new tractor is the warranty. It adds a level of comfort that a used machine would not. I'm not particularly skilled or patient with mechanical stuff, beyond normal maintenance items. I would never consider splitting a tractor, for example, even a small one. At my age I would expect any new tractor purchase to outlast me by a lot, and I would expect that my current tractor should last at least another 15 years. When I bought it, I christened it "the last big toy before the dirt nap," but now it appears there will be one more if I don't keel over in a matter of days..
My tractor has made one trip to a dealer in 15 years, but it wasn't the one where I bought it. They went out soon after I bought it. Ease of getting to a dealer is a matter of concern for me, even if I'm lucky enough to not have to get there. If I didn't see local dealers here for decades for about every tractor or implement you would ever need, I probably would be much less concerned about distance. Local dealers used to come right out and fix tractors right in the field. You don't see much of that going on anymore. Used to be itinerant tractor mechanics in the yellow pages not long ago. They seem to have gone the way of doctors' house calls..
 
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I look at used tractors online, a lot, and still, I have to say they scare me off. Tractors hold a good deal of their value. A LOT of people buy tractors that are too small and then beat on 'em. A lot of loader buckets look like they have been through a war. Part of buying a new tractor is the warranty. It adds a level of comfort that a used machine would not. I'm not particularly skilled or patient with mechanical stuff, beyond normal maintenance items. I would never consider splitting a tractor, for example, even a small one. At my age I would expect any new tractor purchase to outlast me by a lot, and I would expect that my current tractor should last at least another 15 years. When I bought it, I christened it "the last big toy before the dirt nap," but now it appears there will be one more if I don't keel over in a matter of days..
My tractor has made one trip to a dealer in 15 years, but it wasn't the one where I bought it. They went out soon after I bought it. Ease of getting to a dealer is a matter of concern for me, even if I'm lucky enough to not have to get there. If I didn't see local dealers here for decades for about every tractor or implement you would ever need, I probably would be much less concerned about distance. Local dealers used to come right out and fix tractors right in the field. You don't see much of that going on anymore. Used to be itinerant tractor mechanics in the yellow pages not long ago. They seem to have gone the way of doctors' house calls..
I live 85 miles from the nearest tractor dealer.
I have 3 tractors, and have never bought one new.

I have a 14K equipment trailer.
My trailer just sits in the barn, should I need it for a tractor, or any other purpose (I keep it on blocks).
The trailer (20' -14K) cost me $4,400 new 4 years ago, and is likely still worth nearly the same as $4,400 in a savings account.
With a trailer, I have absolutely ZERO concern about how/where to get a tractor fixed!

Trailer liability insurance is extended from the towing vehicle, and a Maine trailer tag is $20/year.
Maine residency is not required!
 
  
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Do you REALLY feel the need for a close by dealer?
How many dealer trips did you make over the 15 years with your current tractor?
You can buy all the parts or pieces you might need online, and the nice man in the big brown truck will bring them right to your door.
I live 80 miles from the nearest dealer, and have never had a need for him.
Just touching on this subject again, there is one more reason I want to purchase from a dealer that is reasonably close. That dealer hires people in the area, maintains business in the area, pays taxes in the area, etc. It's good for the economy of the area. That also makes a difference to me, though, again, I do miss having dealers locally.
 
  
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I live 85 miles from the nearest tractor dealer.
I have 3 tractors, and have never bought one new.

I have a 14K equipment trailer.
My trailer just sits in the barn, should I need it for a tractor, or any other purpose (I keep it on blocks).
The trailer (20' -14K) cost me $4,400 new 4 years ago, and is likely still worth nearly the same as $4,400 in a savings account.
With a trailer, I have absolutely ZERO concern about how/where to get a tractor fixed!

Trailer liability insurance is extended from the towing vehicle, and a Maine trailer tag is $20/year.
Maine residency is not required!
To each his own. My Tacoma isn't big enough to tow a tractor. I'm not a skilled mechanic. We all have/want different things out of a tractor. I want someone within a reasonable distance who can do repairs that I can't. Old tractors are cool, and as with horses, fancy cars, etc. I love to look at them, but don't want to be caretakers for them, lol. Anyway, I bought from the closest dealer and the deal is done. Delivery day, and dressed in pearls for her debut shown below.
 

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Congrats on your new Workmaster 40.I have the same model been trouble free so far.Coming up on 120 hours.
 
 
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