Cold Start Blue Smoke rehash
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countrybumpkin
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Once mine started having the issue it was every time, temps were anywhere from 30s- to sometimes close to 70s, it would clear up after several minutes of running. I was also getting a lot of black dribble out of the exhaust during this, it was soot building up and mixing in with the condensation that dripped from the exhaust, after having the issue fixed the condensation that drips after start up now is back to being as clean and clear as the day I bought it. Hate that about your dealer, I read that a while back when you had the issues, a dealer sure can make or break a good brand. So many times I've seen were someone has posted, having a issue with a kioti and dealer ships the part to the customer for repair under warranty instead of having to haul the tractor back and forth.
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Good luck, I know it can be very frustrating.
It was 9 degrees up here in the NE this morning. I went out and fired up the tractor. It started up on one cylinder and stalled. I cycled the glow plugs again and it fired up again on one cylinder and ran on only one for about 30 seconds. Then a 2nd kicked in and about 10 seconds later the 3rd cylinder kicked in. There was not one bit of blue smoke. I haven't done anything to the tractor since the first blue smoke out incident except to add 5 gallons of diesel fuel and the appropriate anti-gel additive. I want to guess that it must have been a stuck injector the day of the great smoke out like somebody else had mentioned in a previous post. She's been running for 15 minutes now and purring like a kitten.
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Seems like you have a couple of issues, one being a local dealer who isn't doing what you want, and the other an issue with an occasional missfire/starting problem.
If you bought the tractor in Wisconsin, your local dealer may not feel compelled to do things like send you free hoses even though you think he should. I'm NOT saying that is the correct approach, BUT he did not sell the tractor to you, did he?
Therefore you may have to just go exchange the hose with his parts department IF you can get him to agree to do so, or you may have to just pay for the hose. Either way, it's not the best solution, but it gets you the new part eventually.
On the fuel issue, you may well have had a sticking injector, or regen issue or not enough glow time and some coagulated fuel in your filter, or a combination of several of the above.
The newest Kiotis with the Tier 4 equipment have had some bugs on some of the machines related to this type of issue. Unfortunately, more complex fuel systems don't really bode well for smooth running on small tractors. Cleaner air, maybe, except more fuel burnt to make the exhaust cleaner is counterintuitive at best, but it is what the government requires.
You have a long warranty, so feel confident in it and your Kioti. Time and use will tell if you have a problem that needs a fix. In the meantime if a filter jams, I'd discard it vs. trying to get it to work. Once jelling occurs even with PS or similar, it is unlikely to get it clear enough to function as normal, which may have contributed to your issue.
As far as block heaters, you could install one, best in the block, BUT make sure if you do it yourself you do not force out the freeze plug in such a way as to damage the block/liners in any way. One guy on here pushed a tool through and had to remove his entire engine, disassemble it and have it welded. A complete nightmare at best. So either have it done by a professional, or VERY carefully.....
If you bought the tractor in Wisconsin, your local dealer may not feel compelled to do things like send you free hoses even though you think he should. I'm NOT saying that is the correct approach, BUT he did not sell the tractor to you, did he?
Therefore you may have to just go exchange the hose with his parts department IF you can get him to agree to do so, or you may have to just pay for the hose. Either way, it's not the best solution, but it gets you the new part eventually.
On the fuel issue, you may well have had a sticking injector, or regen issue or not enough glow time and some coagulated fuel in your filter, or a combination of several of the above.
The newest Kiotis with the Tier 4 equipment have had some bugs on some of the machines related to this type of issue. Unfortunately, more complex fuel systems don't really bode well for smooth running on small tractors. Cleaner air, maybe, except more fuel burnt to make the exhaust cleaner is counterintuitive at best, but it is what the government requires.
You have a long warranty, so feel confident in it and your Kioti. Time and use will tell if you have a problem that needs a fix. In the meantime if a filter jams, I'd discard it vs. trying to get it to work. Once jelling occurs even with PS or similar, it is unlikely to get it clear enough to function as normal, which may have contributed to your issue.
As far as block heaters, you could install one, best in the block, BUT make sure if you do it yourself you do not force out the freeze plug in such a way as to damage the block/liners in any way. One guy on here pushed a tool through and had to remove his entire engine, disassemble it and have it welded. A complete nightmare at best. So either have it done by a professional, or VERY carefully.....
First off a little bit of background on this dealer is needed. I approached him before I bought this tractor and asked him about doing warranty work on a tractor if I bought one out of State. he replied "absolutely not a problem" as he did not have any leftovers on hand to sell me. When I found the hose chaffed I contacted him about it. He asked me for pictures and all the purchase info and serial number. He replied that he would order the hose and ship it out to me. That is where he lied to me and failed to follow through on his word. I don't care about the $46.00 hose as much as I care about a person's word. I could swap out the fuel filter. I do have two spares that I just bought Time will tell.
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OK, so why not have another conversation with him telling him your concerns about how he fell down on the hose situ? Or do you prefer to have to go elsewhere and find another dealer? Seems like it might be able to be resolved to both your satisfaction if you give it a second look? No?
I already tried that and sent the entire chain of emails back to him showing the entire conversation. His reply was "Give me a credit card number. I'll order the hose for you and shipping is $30.00. Kioti told me that I need to bring my tractor there for the hose replacement under warranty. If you read my other posts you would see that a 60 mile round trip for a hose change with a trailer that I don't have yet is out of the question. I will do a lot of searching for a new dealer if I ever need warranty work. I agree on the block heater versus a hose type. I'll make sure not to puncture anything internally. I'll probably drill the plug, if possible, and use a dent puller to remove it.
