Cold start failure

   / Cold start failure #61  
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I have an Agco Allis 5670 built around 1992. It is air cooled and well finned. Any suggestions as to how I can warm it for cold weather starting. below minus 5 C it is tense. below minus ten no dice. There does not seem to be any glow plugs.
There is a air heater on the manifold but it does not appear to have any effect. I have tried a magnetic block heater but the block is well designed to dissipate heat not accept it.
Does anyone sell a shroud that could cover the block and keep the heat in?
 
   / Cold start failure #62  
Deutz engine?
 
   / Cold start failure #63  
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I have an Agco Allis 5670 built around 1992. It is air cooled and well finned. Any suggestions as to how I can warm it for cold weather starting. below minus 5 C it is tense. below minus ten no dice. There does not seem to be any glow plugs.
There is a air heater on the manifold but it does not appear to have any effect. I have tried a magnetic block heater but the block is well designed to dissipate heat not accept it.
Does anyone sell a shroud that could cover the block and keep the heat in?

You could get a propane or kerosene fueled torpedo heater and aim it under the tractor for a while. All those fins should absorb the heat nicely. I have a 110,000 btu kerosene one with wheels that really pours out the heat. Just be sure to have some ventilation.

I don't like propane because it makes so much moisture when it burns, which then condenses on everything metal and causes rust.
 
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#65  
Hi everyone - thanks for all the helpful posts!

Sorry its been so long since replying, but wasn't able to get at the tractor again until the weekend. Found out something had pushed the front grill in just enough to keep the hood latch from opening, had enough natural light and flashlight to see what was going on and how to jimmy it open. The batter was getting pretty weak after my last try to start it, so needed to get the hood open and put a trickle charger on the battery.

I can confirm the block heater works just fine - however, it is not actually heating the block. The heater is located on the coolant hose running out of the bottom of the radiator, not in the actual block. I guess the hope was that enough heat transfers through the stationary liquid to warm up the block.

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Points well taken on the ether - will not be trying this.

Poorly winterized fuel could very well be the problem. Things are warmer now (-14C / 7F) so should be able to start it tomorrow with a fully charged battery and block heater on overnight. Next time I get into town will be getting some winter fuel conditioner and start the tractor again to make sure treated fuel is in all the lines. I changed all the filters in August 2014, so the new OEM fuel filter has less than 20 hours on it. Actually - I missed the air filter now that I think about it. That probably isn't helping. I will take it off to improve air flow on startup, but get a replacement soon. I like the air dryer idea - will have to get the wife out to help on that one. That should cost me a dinner out at the very least.

Someone asked how long I had it running last and how did it run: the day before the problem, the temperature was warmer (about -22C) and just barely got the tractor started after about 2 minutes of cranking. The tractor ran fine after that. I kept it at 1800rpm while I plowed snow around for over an hour. It ran well, no issues. The engine temperature indicator never made it as high as the usual operating temperature, but I expect that is normal when ambient temperatures are this low.

This page has seen a lot of hits so am guessing lots of people have danced with this problem or expect to at some time in the not too distant future. Will post an update tomorrow.
 

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   / Cold start failure #66  
A hose heater should work, do you run synthetic oil?
 
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#67  
No - just regular oil. It would be great to test out all the proposed ideas one at a time to see what works and how well, but fortunately/unfortunately we have run out of the extremely cold weather for the time being. There are just so many ways for things to go wrong...
 
   / Cold start failure #68  
Use syncretic oil
 
   / Cold start failure #69  
A lower rad hose heater works great to heat the radiator but not so effective hearing the engine. A frost plug heater or a tank heater is the only efficient warming method.
If the thermostat or glow plugs are not working, how about repairing them?
For air cooled about all you can do it synthetic oil and a jam a 1500W hot air gun in to heat the block and head.
 
   / Cold start failure #70  
Hot water goes up and not down to the radiator, have a 700w hose heater on my Ursus with a quite large 4.5l engine and the engine gets warm, a block heater is better but it's not that bad.
 

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