Cold Start Video - Is this good?

[Fordiesel69]

New Holland Boomer 37 Deg Cold Start - YouTube

It started instantly at 37 degrees F. Will this be good for the winter with no block heater? We usually see mid teens for night temps and usually one to three days in the single digits here in erie pa.

Amazingly no white smoke after startup, like other diesels I have been around.

 

[Don87]

Sounded fine to me. And only time will tell about the necessity of a block heater(all engines are different), but it should be fine.

 

[Fordiesel69]

Would using Shell Rotella 5w-40 be better for the engine over the 15w-40 the book specs for the engine? I am thinking better oil flow with the "5".

 

[Fordiesel69]

Anyone? Opinions on 5w-40 vs 15w-40 for winter starting without a block heater?

 

[tcartwri]

5-40 will definitely be easier on the starter and battery. I don't plug mine in until it's below 5F, and it starts fine, but it is a daedong....

 

[Johndeere3720]

Sorry, no info on the oil but I can say it sounds fine on start up. My skid steer sounds pretty rough on cold start, it starts on the first turn but the idle goes from 1200RPM down to 500-700RPM, then back up to 1300RPM before it levels off. I will have to video it when I get a chance. It did that this morning also in 37*F temp, I think I will need a block heater soon.

 

[SSdoxie]

Although farther South than you our average temperatures are about the same. I run 15-40 in mine year round and no problems. Your Boomer seems to start fine, you will find in colder temps you will likely have to cylce the glow plugs more than once. When it get down around freezing, I cycle them twice, turn key and wait for light to go out then turn key off and back on again the let the timer reset. Down to around 20 I'll hold glow plug in manual (key to let on the Bobcats) for about 30 - 45 seconds the turn key on let it go thru normal pre-heat cycle. One nice aspect of the Daedong (Bobcat & Kitoti) is the after start glow plug. Once it starts the glow plug timer comes back on for another 20 seconds to help warm combustion chamber to reduce the cold start knock.

 

[rd_macgregor]

I used the block heater a few times during the first year I owned my Kioti DK45, but haven't done so since. I starts fine in temps down to -15 or even -20 C, though I often cycle the glow-plugs twice before startup when its that cold (and it seldom gets to -20C here).
BOB

 

[Tallman]

! live in Erie County also. I have an older ford 1300 and it starts fine with out a block heater. Mine is parked in a unheated pole barn and all I do is preheat it for about thirty seconds and it starts. I use mine to snow blow my driveway and it has never failed me.
Ken

 

[IndyIan]

5-40 will definitely be easier on the starter and battery. I don't plug mine in until it's below 5F, and it starts fine, but it is a daedong....

+1 I run 5W40 in mine for cold starts as well. In theory its a better oil all the time, and you could probably run a bit longer change intervals as well, to offset the extra cost once you are out of warranty.

 

[Jerry/MT]

Would using Shell Rotella 5w-40 be better for the engine over the 15w-40 the book specs for the engine? I am thinking better oil flow with the "5".

Read your owners manual. itwill telll you what to use depending on the ambient temperatures. No doubt 5W40 is easier on the battery and starter. I use 15W40 year around and a timer turn on the block heater two hours before it's time to feed the cows.

 

[DieselMonk]

Engine started fine, the oil was getting a bit slow to the top of the cylinder. Depending where you live ( I am in atlantic Canada), I use Mobil1 5W40 Turbo Diesel in all my newer Diesels. My TC55DA has now 520hrs now... no problems. I have an old dozer, that gets Shell Rotella 15W40 and I use that in the summer time only anyway.

 

[NICKB304]

i have the same tractor as yours. i noticed mine starts way better so far this winter compared to last. last year it had less than 50h and now 200h. last year it seems like it would spit and sputter taking multiple attemps to start one the temp got into the 30s. i installed a inline hose heater from tsc last year to help with starting and it helps alot. i would plug it in 10-15 min before starting and it would fire up like it was a summer day. it seams to fire fine with the glow plugs now that it has some hours on it but i still plan to use the heater once it gets colder.

 

[john_bud]

I'm in WI and while the tractors are in a barn, it's unheated. I just cycle the glow plugs several times and crank. It starts up fine even down to -30F.

One "trick" is to set the throttle to your optimum starting rpm BEFORE shutting it down. Then you can just crank and not worry about that. I set it to 1500-1600 rpm. On cold start the thick oil will drag it down to 1100-1200 rpm, so I can use rpm raise to guage the heat in the engine. It's also an HST, so it does take time to warm up the oil in the trans. At -30F that is like 15-20 minutes.

 

[Fordiesel69]

I'm in WI and while the tractors are in a barn, it's unheated. I just cycle the glow plugs several times and crank. It starts up fine even down to -30F.

One "trick" is to set the throttle to your optimum starting rpm BEFORE shutting it down. Then you can just crank and not worry about that. I set it to 1500-1600 rpm. On cold start the thick oil will drag it down to 1100-1200 rpm, so I can use rpm raise to guage the heat in the engine. It's also an HST, so it does take time to warm up the oil in the trans. At -30F that is like 15-20 minutes.

I like your trick for non turbo diesel tractors like mine. For a turbo diesel this method will wear out the turbo bearings at a faster rate on shutdown. Even with low EGTS, the compressor shaft will still be at a much higher speed when no pressure lubrication is being supplied.

 

[ilander]

Regarding the subject of oil, my DX25E manual recommends 10W30 as a all season oil and I prefer not to go with anything thinner for winter use. A Block heater is used to pre-warm the engine when temps are about 35 degrees and colder. In addition to the block heater, at about 10 degrees and colder a magnetic oil pan heater is also used.

It will start without the oil pan heater, but I prefer the warming of the oil to thin it out.

Regarding winter starting, when I worked construction eons ago, we started a Terex 82-20 dozer that had a Detroit diesel in it and the boss insisted on using straight 30 wt oil in it year around. It was often started at temps 30 - 40 below at remote construction sites and I recall no premature engine failures because of the thick oil.