Compact Track Loader, whos the best?

   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #21  
Thanks for the input, Gehl was either built by or a clone of Takekuchyi, is that still the case? It would be interesting to see a list of 70 horsepower units with features and list prices along with specs.
Gehl/Mustang is owned by Manitou so I would suspect that is who is making them at this point.

Kubota's are pretty good. Not all the bells and whistles of a Cat but not many complaints.
One I haven't tried but many contractors rave over is Takeuchi. I keep hearing they are very good.
Seems like a lot of contractors run Tako's for CTL. One youtuber I watch wouldn't take a Kubota if you gave it to him, other than to take the excavator to toss it on the burn pile. The one he had, he spend more time working on it than using it.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #22  
There's one in every crowd
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #23  
There's one in every crowd
Unfortunately yes. That's why I feel it's more important to have a good dealer.

I've only ran Cat, Bobcat and Kubota and as far as machine I'd take any one of them. Though I like the Kubota's door the best.
Many times with the Cat in heavy snow removal and ice buildup, I've had to rip the weather stripping off the bottom of the door trying to force it open with buildup on the loader step.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #24  
Gehl/Mustang is owned by Manitou so I would suspect that is who is making them at this point.


Seems like a lot of contractors run Tako's for CTL. One youtuber I watch wouldn't take a Kubota if you gave it to him, other than to take the excavator to toss it on the burn pile. The one he had, he spend more time working on it than using it.
Must be speaking of DP.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #25  
So, enclosed vs open...
If your doing mulching, mowing, or brooming, enclosed would be highly encouraged.

For general dirt work, the way it was explained to me. If you decide to work through a job despite rain, cold, heat, whatever, even two or three times, because of the enclosed cab, it likely has paid for itself.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best?
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#26  
You have made a great point, I tend to be so fiscally conservative that we would all be driving on dirt roads if they had asked me if we should pave them!
 
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#27  
Must be speaking of DP.
They don't seem to have much of a network in my area, but I agree they have a good following, and I think for a good reason.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #28  
It seems in my area Bobcat is on a fast race to the bottom in popularity; but in the end, for commercial use, I would have a C+ or B- with rapid parts availability in My area; than a B+ or A- machine, that takes 10 days to get parts for.

Now, homeowner, or as a secondary use machine, that would change.

Skid Steers (or CTL) for small time guys are often the primary machine. For larger contractors, they are often a 3rd tier machine, and more of a general utility item, kinda like TLB or back hoe.


Another thought, or question; is a CTL the right tool for the job? They are great machines, but maybe a compact wheel loader (not a skid steer), small dozer, or a TLB, or something else is a better tool?
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #29  
OK, it will include work in hills, logging roads, general dirt moving, leveling, trenching, and just about everything you can imagine. Log moving, forklift work, brush clearing and moving, and some farm work. I know these are not good on frozen ground, but I will try. I am not sure what door orientation is, but I will use it year-round in hot and cold Wisconsin weather.

Thanks for asking.

So, let's break down the tasks a bit;
Dirt moving; likely a typical bucket, possible need teeth in heavy clay or rock soils, but this is a good task for a CTL. Rocky soils will wear tracks fast, and they are not cheap. If we are moving dirt very far, or in large volumes, other tools are better

Working in hills/logging trails; CTL can do this; but they are rough riding, and can high center on the belly pan. If your logging trails and/or woods are particularly wet/boggy, you might want to look for extra wide track machine. Although a CTL can often work itself out of a stuck situation, when they Do get stuck, they get very stuck

Leveling; I read this as grading; if we are talking rough grading, standard bucket does a good enough job, but if it's a bit more finished, a 6 way dozer blade or a grade controlled front leveling blade might be the best option. Take the end impliment into account when speccing the machine. A skid steer isn't a dozer, but its not far off on a smaller scale; with the right tools

Log moving and general forklift duty; for short distances they are good at this; if forklift work involves moving items a few hundred yard constantly, a compact wheel is probably better; if you are routinely moving the items in a single place (say a lumber yard), you will waller a mud hole. If you have rock in the loading area, you will wear tracks fast

Brush clearing; if this is grapple stuff, 100% a skid steer is fantastic at this, manuverable, strong, but small enough to work between large trees; hydralic mower or mulcher, these Might need a hi flow system and/or additional cooling, so keep that in mind when speccing. Visibility when moving piles is pretty limited, and it's better for pushing up piles than moving the piles once pushed up. Can be used for light root raking, but for extensive, a hoe or full sized loader is better (jd-544 type machine)

Farm work; moving bulk bags it works, although visibility sucks; demucking-manure, just size appropriately, and know manure (chicken litter is the worst, well rodent farms, I've heard rodent urine is worse...) is pretty dang corrosive, you can over come Some of this with frequent washing. Stuff like bury dead livestock/horses, TLB is better, or a mid sized hoe (Komatsu Pc-85 sized machine). If it's cleaning field side drainage ditches, TLB or small-medium hoe is better.

Trenching; although a CTL can be fitted with a ditch witch type trencher or even a front hoe, if this was a major part of the work, a hoe or a TLB is better. Skid steers to back fill well.

I am kinda split, cause it sounds like maybe a TLB, like a JD-310 might be better suited to everything but grading or "leveling"

Edit: one big down side of a proper TLB, although they all have forks available, as well as root rakes, they aren't universally interchangeable. They are also expensive. They also (atleast I've never seen it) can't have a mulcher/mower, and i can't think of a grapple being fitted. You can get a 4 in 1 bucket, which works somewhat as a grapple.

Also, portability; TLB is heavier, but can road run very well. CTL is easier to transport, but you aren't road running it anywhere
 
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#30  
Must be speaking of DP.
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Must be speaking of DP.

It seems in my area Bobcat is on a fast race to the bottom in popularity; but in the end, for commercial use, I would have a C+ or B- with rapid parts availability in My area; than a B+ or A- machine, that takes 10 days to get parts for.

Now, homeowner, or as a secondary use machine, that would change.

Skid Steers (or CTL) for small time guys are often the primary machine. For larger contractors, they are often a 3rd tier machine, and more of a general utility item, kinda like TLB or back hoe.


Another thought, or question; is a CTL the right tool for the job? They are great machines, but maybe a compact wheel loader (not a skid steer), small dozer, or a TLB, or something else is a better tool?
I have only heard good things about Bobcat, so can you give a few details on them slipping in their standing?
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #31  
I can't share any specific complains, just that guys who had Bobcats, often for several cycles, opted to go Tako/Kub/Cat over the last few years, and i know two guys who specifically said "anything other than a bobcat".
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #32  
I don't know, but I'm wondering if you pay a premium for CAT?
 
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#33  
I can't share any specific complains, just that guys who had Bobcats, often for several cycles, opted to go Tako/Kub/Cat over the last few years, and i know two guys who specifically said "anything other than a bobcat".
Anyone out there, who might have an opinion is welcome to weigh in, Bobcat has some incentives at this time and I have been considering one.
 
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#34  
I can't share any specific complains, just that guys who had Bobcats, often for several cycles, opted to go Tako/Kub/Cat over the last few years, and i know two guys who specifically said "anything other than a bobcat".
I don't know, but I'm wondering if you pay a premium for CAT?
I wonder also, I have not called a dealer yet as I am not sure what I want.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #35  
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #36  
Around here Kubota seems to be chasing the market pretty aggressively.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #37  
In my opinion, Bobcat quality has gone down significantly since the takeover by Dusan. We've owned two Bobcat mini excavators at work, and this will be our last. Going to Kubota or Takeuchi for the next mini. Went Kubota for the CTL, Bobcat wasn't even a consideration.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #38  
I'd suggest renting various machines and see which ones YOU like best. If you will be spending thousands of hours in the milk crate then pick one you like best.

I view CTL's as milk crate death traps. Skidsteers are milk crate death traps on a pogo stick. They have their uses but I prefer good operator visibility, operator comfort, good controls, good NVH, ease of egress and operator safety. The fundamental design of CTL's and SS's doesn't fit the bill.

My impressions on various late model 90~100HP CTL brands I've used:

Kubota - fuel efficient, spartan, better visibility, poor NVH, no ride control, under powered, better egress, lacks frame tie down and tow points, hard to clean track.

Bobcat - marginal fuel efficiency, better ride control, marginal visibility, decent power, poor egress, poor NVH, good operator controls, long term track and electrical control issues?

Deere - very poor fuel efficiency, high DEF use, ok ride control, good power, very poor visibility, poor operator controls, poor NVH, poor egress. Good service support.

With regards to other equipment I've always liked operating CAT and Case machines. CAT has good parts availability but are expensive. Forget Case for long term parts support.

I recently rented a Doosan 15tonne excavator and was really impressed. Very Fast hydraulics, very quiet cab, excellent operator controls, very good fuel economy. I'd serious look into trying a Doosan CTL if I was in the market for a CTL.

I tend to rent my equipment by the job and avoid the long term maintenance issues. If you need to float the machine to various job sites pay attention to the bogies, some machines are like wrestling a bear to clean and tie down.
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #39  
Another thought, depending on how much you are planning of each task, what some people call a skip loader (no idea where this name came from), or an industrial grade tractor (JD-210LE, or similar JCB, Case, New Holland). For grading; they are better than a standard CTL. For moving material, if there is distance involved they are faster than a CTL; 1 CY bucket, 5400 lbs lift capacity
 
   / Compact Track Loader, whos the best? #40  
All I'm saying, $75,000+ is a lot of money in my world, so, make sure you aren't just following the crowd to a CTL, if it's not the best machine for you.
 

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