Comparing the orange forums to the green forums.

[alchemysa]

And MessickFarmEqu...you're a competitor to Deere...you sell Kubota and NH. Frankly, your opinion on Deere may be more due to sales tactics then any actual knowledge. That's kind of shifty to post, isn't it?

Dealers are darned if they do and darned if they don't. Yes they often have commercial considerations but on the other hand they have a wealth of experience that the rest of us can never match. The good ones like to share it honestly.

 

[M_Brown]

I decided on orange simply because I have a friend with one who has had zero problems with it at 400hrs of hard use on the clock. When I would use it I was always amazed by what it could do for its size (B2910). My Local dealer sells both Deere and Kubota. For some reason, which they would not say they were promoting the Kubota over the Deere. I really like my Little Kubota.

 

[Dargo]

Regardless, for anyone to define the entire scope of either of our knowledges, experiences, and past histories by how long we've been a member of a forum and/or the number of posts we've contributed, would be entirely ignorant on their part. Lot of old (and not so old) farmers out there I bet never even heard of TBN, how tractor-dumb they must be!

That there pretty well sums up why I needn't even bother answering you. You indeed have a severe problem with reading words on your screen. I'd ask you to please quote precisely where I said absolutely anything about how being a participant on TBN discussions has squat to do with anything! The fact is, and always will be, I didn't!! I consider myself new to tractors in my neighborhood because I've only owned them for the last twenty something years. It's obvious that you lack any sense of civility or humbleness. Don't bother to reply to me because I won't see it. The software here is nice enough for one to use the "ignore" feature. You've proven enough already that you can add nothing that I care to read.

 

[Egon]

people view JD like Harley

John Deere Compared to Harley?? Blasphemy I say!

 

[irwin]

My Local dealer sells both Deere and Kubota. For some reason, which they would not say they were promoting the Kubota over the Deere.

Based on "my" experience (I sold cars at several dealerships); The only reason any dealer would promote one make over another is money. .period . ..money.. and only money drives the decisions made by the sales manager and what he wants the salesmen to push.. often this is backend money, what the dealership makes from a manufacturer relating to how many of that make they sell.. very possible Kubota has/had (?) a better backend deal than deere at that time, also possible is "availability" if someone is obviously trying to make the "best deal" the salesman will push the make/model they have the most of, and save the rarer make/model for a "lay down " someone less concerned with cost-The thought here is more money, can't sell something they don't have twice, but something thats easily replaced with another of the same they can afford to let it go for less. There are more examples, but to keep my post less than over long ....
Personally I'm a brandless type, give me a good wiggitt, dodad, car, ???? and I'm happy. Let others fight and give some bloated corporation free advertisment.

 

[DiezNutz]

Don't bother to reply to me because I won't see it. The software here is nice enough for one to use the "ignore" feature.

Wow, dreams really can come true! Troll on, Darg.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Based on "my" experience (I sold cars at several dealerships); The only reason any dealer would promote one make over another is money. .period . ..money.. and only money drives the decisions made by the sales manager and what he wants the salesmen to push.. often this is backend money, what the dealership makes from a manufacturer relating to how many of that make they sell.. very possible Kubota has/had (?) a better backend deal than deere at that time, also possible is "availability" if someone is obviously trying to make the "best deal" the salesman will push the make/model they have the most of, and save the rarer make/model for a "lay down " someone less concerned with cost-The thought here is more money, can't sell something they don't have twice, but something thats easily replaced with another of the same they can afford to let it go for less. There are more examples, but to keep my post less than over long ....
Personally I'm a brandless type, give me a good wiggitt, dodad, car, ???? and I'm happy. Let others fight and give some bloated corporation free advertisment.

Everyone is different, so I can speak for myself. Selling tractors is very different than selling cars. We don't have the same amount of hold backs and discounts. At most, there allowances on tractors are usually not more than $500, on new models its often nothing at all. Its unusual to have a model thats substantialy lower cost than another because there are far fewer options, dating programs, etc. We get 9 month terms, so unless your not managing your inventory well you usually don't end up with many units your paying interest on. Tractors are alot more straight forward.

 

[BXRICK]

I find it interesting that this thread is attempting to divide owners of the various colors into categories - JD buyers are "willing to pay a little more for that slice of Americana that was so cunningly marketed to them" and Kubota buyers "want to pay a little less for value, and don't care that it's a Japanese company".

Yet, a read of the Buying/Comparisons forum shows that an awful lot of the people looking to buy are in fact trying hard to decide whether to buy Orange or Green, and really can't tell the difference. In fact, they seem desperate for someone with a little more experience to give them a reason to buy one or the other.
Which tells me that both (ok, all three...) companies make remarkably similar competitive products.

 

[RoyJackson]

John Deere Compared to Harley?? Blasphemy I say!

You'd be surprised how much of a Harley is manufactured overseas (China and Japan mostly).

 

[Volfandt]

Yet, a read of the Buying/Comparisons forum shows that an awful lot of the people looking to buy are in fact trying hard to decide whether to buy Orange or Green, and really can't tell the difference. In fact, they seem desperate for someone with a little more experience to give them a reason to buy one or the other.
Which tells me that both (ok, all three...) companies make remarkably similar competitive products.

Agree,
When you break down the spec's in the same class, they're all with in spitting distance of one another and in the big picture the differences are only discernable on paper, hardly detectable in realtime operation. Key word's are "same class" which also includes the difference bwtween std and premium.

That said I like the idea of competition and having more than one product to choose from in a specific class.

I was basically color blind blind when I was tractor trading for a new tractor a few yrs back and the hardest part for me was picking the size. I knew what I wanted to do and how much I wanted to spend and sizing down to the correct class was hardest decision, picking the brand was whole alot easier. Determining factors such as the lack of a specific brand in use locally was one with the main factor being how I interacted w/the dealer, i.e. deciding which one I was going to drop a considerable amount of $$$'s with. In my case Kubota won out by a landslide. The final decision came down to a Kubota/Toro dealer and a Kubota/Massey dealer and the closest to my humble abode won. (Kubota/Commercial Toro)
Again in my case, 4 different JD dealers just didn't care if they sold me a tractor or not. And not surprisingly two got bought out by the 3rd and the 4th just may get devoired too. Two even admitted that subcuts weren't their priority.
News flash, my formally rural comminuty is turning more urban by the day, farms are becoming subdivisions seemingly over night! I guess two of them coudn't see the writting on the wall, see ya!
ahem,
I liked the JD, MF, Kyoti and Cub machine's, all had something that stood out just a hair above the others but not so much as to swing the decision one way or the other. Good ole face to face deal'n won my $$$'s.
Simple as that, and my little ole 2004 BX23 has been providing me great service since, without even one single trip back to the dealer for service....

To fan this discussion alittle more. All one has to do is visit each brand specific forum and count the times a specific brand is knocked inorder to justify the purchase of another, be objective, it won't be hard to see
what brand leads and what brand(s) follow

You'd be surprised how much of a Harley is manufactured overseas (China and Japan mostly).

I wouldn't be. I doubt you can list a big ticket product thats made entirely in the USA.