Comparing the 'orange' machines.

[TBDonnelly]

Now the real rub: I've learned more about the Kubota 1/4 inching valve in the last 30 minutes on the Kioti site of all places, than I have in a year on the Kubota side!

That's because the Kubota sales guys don't want to talk about it!

I'd bet there are many, many Kubota buyers out there that don't even realize what type of lift system they're getting.

Oh, BTW, welcome to the 'other' Orange forum.

Don

 

[IslandTractor]

Yeah, the other orange guys try to stay away from discussion about quarter inching valves just like we cringe at the mention of loader cracks . On the otherhand, I agree with Neil's point that most CUT owners who mostly mow with a MMM (lots of those on the B7510, 7610s) really don't have much use for the 3PT hitch much less worry about the type of hydraulic controls. That is not intended as a knock, just reflects the fact that a lot of guys who just want a bigger lawnmower will get the smaller B's. And they are great mowers so everyone is happy.

 

[davitk]

Hey, we're finally making sense!! I think it's terrific Kubota hangs onto their old tried and true designs, sells them as a dependable "value" tractor. Now, if you want to take Kubota to task, let's talk about their Grand L's.

 

[IslandTractor]

I have a lead on a 2006 CK30HST w/loader & Backhoe, asking $18.5K, less than 300 hrs, 'no commercial use'. Any suggestions on what to look for when looking at a used machine? Is there a 'how to buy used' FAQ around here somewhere? I looked quickly and didn't see one. I was going to look at loader, which one is it and are there any cracks, records to show fluids have been changed when they should have been, with what should be used. Condition of hydraulic cylinders, no nicks or bumps to mess up seals. General condition of machine. Seller implied balance of warrantee was transferable... does anybody know if it is? Is this reasonable money for a machine in good shape?

Thanks

Sorry, we skipped over your question while solving the worlds problems regarding 3PT hitch controls.

I think that is a decent price. Not great but decent. Knock off another $1500-2000 and it is a pretty good deal. You can get a new CK20 TLB for about 18.5 with 4 year warranty and zero percent financing so consider that in your deliberations. I'd do those comparative calculations real carefully as zero percent financing or the 1000 or so cash off the price of a new one can make a new tractor look real good. What do you want to do with the tractor? There are some uses for which the CK20 really is virtually the equivalent of the CK30 and other things where the CK30 obviously outclasses it's smaller sibling. BH is bigger by a foot I believe on the 30. I think loader work is about equal but pulling power and a bigger bush hog/mower would clearly favor the 30. CK20 is more manuverable but as you are talking TLB, manuverability may not a real big consideration.

300hrs is nothing if the tractor has been well maintained. Speaking of that, I'd look to see that it has been well greased (great if there is old grease squeezing out of the FEL pin joints. Check that all the grease zirks take grease (the front axle one is a bugger normally). Make sure the loader works smoothly and can lift the front end off the ground easily. It will be the old style loader so take off the inspection plate on the torque tube and look for cracks in the four corners (or near the gussets on the KL130 I guess). That would be a bargaining point as this cracked loader PITA has not yet been satisfactorily resolved by Kioti. Lord knows if they ever will deal with it. Check the HST pedal to make sure it works smoothly too. The BH controls are another area to work and insure they function smoothly. BH ideally would also be a bit greasy from routine grease application pushing old grease out. The FEL bucket may have some dings but hopefully is not bent or really bashed up. Maybe the guy changed oil/hydraulic just to sell but those should be fresh now anyway at 300hrs. Oil and hydraulic filters should also have been changed (I think every 100 or 150 on the hydraulic but I haven't checked). Tie rods sometimes get bend on stumps. Not a big deal but perhaps a bargaining point before you bend them back into shape.

Overall I think the CK30 TLB is a great machine. That one is not exactly cheap in my opinion but you might get the price down 10-15% or so and then it would probably look good compared to new with zero percent finance.

 

[johnk]

I think both Brands are great tractors but which one brings more for resale and which one sells faster? I'm just asking.

 

[Double Orange]

I think both Brands are great tractors but which one brings more for resale and which one sells faster? I'm just asking.

Let me think????

A Kubota with the 1/4" 3p/h
OR A
Kioti with a cracked loader???

 

[IXLR8]

Sorry, we skipped over your question while solving the worlds problems regarding 3PT hitch controls.

I think that is a decent price. Not great but decent. Knock off another $1500-2000 and it is a pretty good deal. You can get a new CK20 TLB for about 18.5 with 4 year warranty and zero percent financing so consider that in your deliberations.

Thanks for the feedback on what to look for, items have been added to my inspection list. Further communication with owner indicates that he only has 227hrs on it. Seems his new tractor came in sooner than he thought and he has not been using the CK30. He put the ad in assuming it would be in for a while and he would still be using the 30 and piling up the hrs. He also informed me the loader has a QA bucket, I need to find out more about that. I didn't know that a QA was available for the 130 loader. The BH has a 16" bucket with a thumb and he has tire chains for it, turns out the chains won't fit his new tractor. Price sounds a little better to me now, but I am still going to work on him a bit.
I did look at the CK20, I suspect it would do all of the stuff I need to do. Actually I know it would after looking at some of your pictures. I just like the feel of the CK25-35 series better and some of the little features they have that the 20 does not.

 

[IslandTractor]

He also informed me the loader has a QA bucket, I need to find out more about that. I didn't know that a QA was available for the 130 loader. The BH has a 16" bucket with a thumb and he has tire chains for it, turns out the chains won't fit his new tractor. Price sounds a little better to me now, but I am still going to work on him a bit.

If it has a universal skid steer QA adapter on the FEL that is worth (new) about $600 plus shipping and is very handy. It will allow you to add a grapple, tree boom, or forks easily and is a very nice upgrade. The thumb on the BH is also worth maybe $700 new so that is certainly nice too. Sounds like a very nice tractor set up.

 

[IXLR8]

If it has a universal skid steer QA adapter on the FEL that is worth (new) about $600 plus shipping and is very handy. It will allow you to add a grapple, tree boom, or forks easily and is a very nice upgrade. The thumb on the BH is also worth maybe $700 new so that is certainly nice too. Sounds like a very nice tractor set up.

IT- Didn't you have a QA but it was different sized than 'SS standard' and had some slop issues? Was it a Kioti QA or somebody elses? What is the width of a 'universal' SS QA adaptor?
Grrr... with the holidays, family in town and all, it looks like I will not be able to check this machine out until next week.

 

[IslandTractor]

IT- Didn't you have a QA but it was different sized than 'SS standard' and had some slop issues? Was it a Kioti QA or somebody elses? What is the width of a 'universal' SS QA adaptor?
Grrr... with the holidays, family in town and all, it looks like I will not be able to check this machine out until next week.

I had a Horst Welding standard/universal SS QA adapter on my CK20/KL120. Worked perfectly and is about 44 inches wide which is the real standard. I actually still have it even though I traded in my CK20...I was out tractoring in the country today and brought it back to the 'burbs to sell it. These will fit both the KL120 and 130 as they share the same pin pattern/measurements.

My current QA adapter is the standard one that comes with the Kioti KL401. It is only 40 inches wide and while it does in fact attach to universal SS devices, it slides around a bit because of the narrow width.