Compressed Natural Gas For Vehicles

[BarryinMN]

California Energy Commission Home Page

Here is some stuff. They (CA) are buying in and expecting leverage ratios of 10:1 up up 18:1. The State is seriously broke but then again it's LA LA land.

Today's LA times writeup. Ports' clean-rig program puts truckers in more comfortable driver's seat - Los Angeles Times

T. Boone Pickens sold out of oil, moved into alternative: wind turbines, etc. and got jammed up like everybody else when credit stopped.

Al Gore has underwritten his (to the tune of $300 Million) cap & trade "stock market." Washington is looking at giving Al the golden goose and the golden egg. We ratepayers that buy electricity from "dirty coal" are going to get the proverbial shaft.

At last years congressional "big oil assault" what I heard was oil should be ~ $50 bbl. NYC hedge fund traders, oil co's, and others drove the price into the red zone and when the bubble burst the last out went bankrupt. Suddenly there was neither a shortage of crude or refining capacity.

 

[Redneck in training]

Like the other guy said, to make the same HP you would need more fuel. On my generator and other like engines me and you have seen this is not cost feasible so the only option is a loss of power. No free lunch.

Chris

Nice thing about LPG generator is that they can run for days without refueling. Provided that you have the standard propane 300 gal or bigger tank.

 

[Bird]

Nice thing about LPG generator is that they can run for days without refueling. Provided that you have the standard propane 300 gal or bigger tank.

Yeah, but mine was in a 32' fifth-wheel travel trailer with two 30# bottles.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Nice thing about LPG generator is that they can run for days without refueling. Provided that you have the standard propane 300 gal or bigger tank.

Yes, I do have a 500 gallon tank but chose to keep it gas. I have a 50 gallon tank that will last 6 days. Only been out of power longer than that once and it was 8 days. I keep my boat filled with a minimum of 70 gallons of gas and I have a transfer pump on the tank that can suck it out of the boat if needed at 50 gallons per hour.

Chris

 

[Bird]

Yep, Chris, those two 30# bottles I had wouldn't have been good for any long term usage, but for short power outages in RV parks and for brewing some coffee in a rest area, and such things, it worked just fine. But then when we traded for the 40' Bounder motorhome, it had a 7KW Onan on gasoline and the motorhome had a 90 gallon tank so I sure never worried about running out.

But whether in an RV or a house, we've just been very lucky, I guess, because the longest power outage we've had was about 7 hours and that was 11/7/96.

 

[tommu56]

We have an interruptable natural gas (except for the cng lines) we mix air with the propane to get the correct btu content and it will run all our driers and boilers with out a hiccup.

We cant use the mix in the hp compressors.

tom

 

[Bird]

Tom, I ran into a number of interesting things in '93-'94 doing gas leakage surveys and one of them was a town that didn't have a big enough main line bringing the gas from the cross country pipeline into town. It couldn't bring in enough volume for really cold spells, so they had a huge propane tank, pump station, etc. to inject propane into the natural gas lines when necessary to keep the pressure from dropping too low. And that, too, was in Pennsylvania.

 

[guyrj33]

I think we should continue to burn foriegn oil while it is still relatively inexpensive and save our oil for the future.

 

[two_bit_score]

I think we should continue to burn foriegn oil while it is still relatively inexpensive and save our oil for the future.

Oil from Canada, Mexico, maybe a few others OK. But we are pumping a lot of dollars into foreign economies that are governed by people who are financing terrorist activity against us when we buy oil from some countries.

If we could develop our natural gas resources to the point that we could seriously curtail importing oil from hostile countries why not spend the money here.

Natural gas is clean, abundant, domestic and relatively cheap. It's here now and we own it, for the most part. It's available on almost every street in America via an existing nationwide system of pipelines.

Charlie Munger of Berkshire Hathaway said that if you have the energy you can solve a lot of problems.

Well, we have the energy in natural gas fields across the country that have been brought in within the past few years, the Gulf has also had a huge recent field located.

Let's get busy solving problems in this country. Develop and use our natural gas resources!