Computer lifespan

   / Computer lifespan #11  
Hoss, I didn't install ME. I've been using a 3 year old IBM with Windows 98 Second Edition, but I gave it to my grandson and bought myself a new Dell that came with Windows ME (I'm still learning to use it). And I made sure Symantec's web site showed SystemWorks to be for ME before I ordered it.

Bird
 
   / Computer lifespan #12  
SystemWorks 2001 is compatible with ME, but 2000 can and will cause problems! Do not use 2000 with WINME!
Micro$haft has an SP2 package on their update site available.
DO NOT LOAD IE v6.0! You DO NOT want to go there! /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif
Be aware, the ME SP2 load can hang at or around 70% install. There is a workaround for it. If you install it, and run into this problem, send me an email, and I will email the 'constructions' to you. ME creates a ton of OEM*.INF files that have 0KB in them, they will all have to be deleted prior to another attempt at install of the service pack. This happens on some machines, but not others. The first 3 installs on this machine did not create this problem, but it has been a pain in the backsides since the last re-install of ME. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
p.s. - my 'puter' had over 33000 of them to delete! Plus, I installed a security patch (124kb) after that, and had to delete another 3600 of them. Oh happy days!

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by scruffy on 08/29/01 06:12 PM (server time).</FONT></P>
 
   / Computer lifespan #13  
Just in case someone runs into the 'hang' issue, here is the work around for it:

Computer Stops Responding (Hangs) During Setup, Installing Updates, or Adding New Hardware

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The information in this article applies to:

Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition
Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.5 Service Pack 1 for Windows Millennium Edition
Microsoft Office 2000 Standard
Microsoft Office 2000 Professional
Microsoft Office 2000 Premium
Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6 for Windows Millennium Edition
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SYMPTOMS
When you try to upgrade your computer to Windows Millennium Edition (Me), your computer may stop responding (hang) during Setup or you may see the following behavior after you upgrade your Windows Me computer:

When you attempt to install Internet Explorer 5.5 Service Pack 1 (SP1) or Internet Explorer 6, Setup may stop responding (hang) when it reaches 70 percent completion, or you may receive the following error message:

Error 52: Setup could not finish opening a file on your destination disc.
The Add New Hardware wizard may stop responding, or upon starting, your computer may stop responding when Plug and Play detects that a new device is installed or attached to your computer.

When you install critical updates from the Windows Update Web site, your computer may stop responding.

When you install the Virtual Machine update, your computer may stop responding.

When you install DirectX 8.0, your computer may stop responding.

CAUSE
The OEMx.INF files can be created by Windows Update, Internet Explorer Setup and any other program that uses the Microsoft Setup API's, if a disk utility program currently has a volume lock on the drive. Microsoft and third party utililty programs such as ScanDisk, defragment programs, and other system utilities are required to get a volume lock on the drive in order to control access by other processes to the volume.

RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, apply the fix referenced in the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article:

Q301540 CreateFile Improperly Returns ERROR_ALREADY_EXISTS if the Drive Is Locked and the File Did Not Exist
To work around this issue, delete all Oem*.inf files in the Windows\Inf folder that are 0 KB in size.

To delete all of the 0 KB files, follow these steps:
Set Windows to show all files. To do so, open Windows Explorer, on the Tools menu, click Folder Options, click the View tab, and then select the Show hidden files and folders option.

Click Start, point to Search, and then click For Files or Folders.

In the Search for files or folders named box, type oem*.inf.

Verify that the Look in box shows C:\Windows\Inf.

Click Search Now.

In the Search Results window, sort the files by size by clicking on the header of the Size column. If you cannot see the Size column, maximize the Search Results window.

Select all of the 0 KB files:

Click the first 0 KB Oem.*inf file to highlight it.

Scroll down <font color=red>(use the down arrow key)</font color=red> the list to the last 0 KB Oem.*inf file, and while holding down the SHIFT key, click to highlight it.

Press the DELETE key. <font color=red>Be PATIENT!</font color=red>

Click Yes when you are prompted to confirm the deletion.

Close Windows Explorer.

Disable all disk utility programs while installing the Windows Me updates.
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Be SURE to be all inclusive with the files having 0KB! If not, then they will propogate themselves, leaving many,many more to try and clean out. Don't worry, the ONLY other file will be an OEMCMP.INF (or some such) with 3KB in its size column....and its usually right up at the top.
The addins with red type are my suggestions to you when you do this....some of the deletes can take several minutes to clean out several thousand files.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by scruffy on 08/29/01 06:43 PM (server time).</FONT></P>
 
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  • Thread Starter
#14  
Thanks to all for the response. I might have thought my trouble had something to do with the ISP except that the AOL browser worked OK, only the explorer had the problem.
I have windows 98, I read up on ME, for what I do, I didn't think ME would improve much of anything. I haven't tried reinstalling win98, maybe I should try that.
I have ran scandisk, until recently it never found any errors. The last time I ran it, it found long file names that were no longer connected, or something like that. I thought it might be because I recently uninstalled some of the kids programs that they no longer use. although some of these file names were in some odd places.
So far today everything has been working OK. Again thanks to all.

Ernie
 
   / Computer lifespan #15  
Hi Scruffy,
In your post above, you write: "Micro$haft has an SP2 package on their update site available'. I've looked everywhere I can think of on the MS site and can't find a SP2 update for ME. I find a SP2 update for I.E., but not for the ME operating system itself. All of the I.E. updates, including the SP2, deal mainly with security issues and since I don't use I.E. (except for firing it up long enough to use Windows Update) they are of little concern to me. If you know of a web page with a Service Pack update for the ME operating system, could you give me a direct link?

Thanks a bunch,
Hoss

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   / Computer lifespan #16  
Hoss, did I say ME? I SURE did! I was thinking IE and mad at the *&^%$ ME so i guess it did come out of my keyboard wrong! Mostly, the corrections on ME have been small upgrade packages, but let me do some more digging.
Individual problems have had corrective patches made for them, for the most (meaning slightly more than half) part. The problem is, you have to search through the ms support pages and QXXXXXX's to find what you're looking for. I'll get back to you later tonight or tomorrow on what I find.

A quick search at
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp
shows 31 downloads for WIN ME. Remember, by searching through this database, you will find leads to many problems by looking at the links to the Q numbers i.e. Q301540. It can take a lot of 'digging' to sort out what you want.
You might also try http://support.microsoft.com <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by scruffy on 08/29/01 10:19 PM (server time).</FONT></P>
 
   / Computer lifespan #17  
Old computers never die - they just choke on new versions of software. If the software venders weren't all the time making sure the latest software required new equipment (Intel) then our computers would last 10 years easy. When they start giving trouble they usually just need a software tuneup - sometimes reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling windows will do the trick. And I have found one of the biggest culprits for getting errors and lockups is virus protection software. I usually end up just disabling it, since the cure is about as bad as the disease.

Alan L., TX
 
   / Computer lifespan #18  
Not running an anti-virus is an option, and you can log into:
http://housecall.antivirus.com and run a virus check on your system.
I personally prefer to run an antivirus loaded on the system. eMail is probably the #1 source of transmiting virus, followed up by web browsing/downloading files.
 
   / Computer lifespan #19  
ERNIEB
You may want to take a gander at this troubleshooting guide and see if it fixes your IE problem.

Unable to Connect to Secure Web Page Using Internet Explorer
If you try to connect to a secure Web page, you may receive an error message:

Internet Explorer 4:

An error occurred in the secure channel support

Internet Explorer 5:

The page cannot be displayed.
Cannot find server or DNS Error

To fix this:

Select Start > Settings > Control Panel, and then double-click Internet
Select the Advanced tab
Under Security, make sure that the following check boxes are selected:

PCT 1.0
SSL 2.0
SSL 3.0

Click OK

(picture IE 5)

DNS error:

Select Start > Settings > Control Panel, and then double-click Internet
Select the Connections tab, click Connect to the Internet using a local area network
Under Proxy Server, click Advanced
Type the appropriate proxy server address and port in the Secure box, click OK (3 times)
 
   / Computer lifespan #20  
<font color=blue>blasted thing has hung up twice today</font color=blue>

Bird, that's a new machine, right? You may be having an infant mortality issue, or you may have been given some broken software from Dell. Something you can try (it doesn't always work) is Dr. Watson. Sometimes it's installed in the System Tools, otherwise you can run it by pulling up the Start menu, selecting "Run", and type "drwatson" in the dialog box.

Dr. Watson runs in the background, and attempts to catch software doing "bad things". Sometimes it's successful, sometimes not (like many things from M$ /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif). If it doesn't catch the bad software in the act, it can often generate a diagnostic snapshot after the fact.

Let me know if you have any difficulties.

The GlueGuy
 

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