Concerns about 2nd/3rd tier brands

[Phineas7]

Good point Messick. While large foriegn manufacturers may not go out of buisiness, they may pull out of the US market; Don't you think?

As a total tractor newbie (which is probably quite common among CUT/SCUT purchasers) I was really only considering the brands that I recognized as being what I would have called 1st tier brands. I spent 13 years in the agricultural buisiness (not tractors / framing, but fruit/veg processsing). It seems that whenever I was doing work at the customer sites, the brands I saw were the big American names: Deere, Ford/NH and such. Where I live, there's no real farming, but you do see a fair bit of Kubota's around.

Until I came here, I never heard of Mahindra, Kioti, Montana or any of these others. So I don't really understand why his assumption/opinion is so offensive.

I may be wrong on this, but I'd bet that around here you'd have a much higher resale value (even accounting for higher initial cost) simply because of the perception stated by the original poster.

Sounds like some people are overly sensitive because they bought an off-brand tractor. (just kidding actually, but feel free to flame away)

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Tough crowd here today. AKfish said it pretty good.

It would help diffuse things a bit if one explains themselves better. Until we know more, we shouldn't jump to conclusions about one's motives and such.

Chessy is obviously a new member. He probably needs help understanding the CUT industry and all its hairiness. Those that know should be trying to help him out by dispelling misinformation and perceptions. If there is an alterior motive, that will become evident. But, we shouldn't assume this is the case based on a few "misinformed" statements.

As to which are 1st or 2nd tier... that is subjective and depends on how one qualifies it..... and who cares really. It's like anything else. Some guys will buy a Hyundai. Others won't even consider it. And both are perfectly correct. It's their choice.

When he first posted about this in the Farmtrac forum questions were asked. He then made this thread and more questions were asked. The OP refuses to say anything else other then if it isn't JD, Kubota or New Holland then it is a 2nd tier brand and people should think long and hard about "2nd" tier brands. When I asked on the Farmtrac thread to clarify this some he repeated the same exact thing. The OP sounds more like a troll as he refuses to discuss anything only repeat the same thing over and over.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Good point Messick. While large foriegn manufacturers may not go out of buisiness, they may pull out of the US market; Don't you think?

As a total tractor newbie (which is probably quite common among CUT/SCUT purchasers) I was really only considering the brands that I recognized as being what I would have called 1st tier brands. I spent 13 years in the agricultural buisiness (not tractors / framing, but fruit/veg processsing). It seems that whenever I was doing work at the customer sites, the brands I saw were the big American names: Deere, Ford/NH and such. Where I live, there's no real farming, but you do see a fair bit of Kubota's around.

Until I came here, I never heard of Mahindra, Kioti, Montana or any of these others. So I don't really understand why his assumption/opinion is so offensive.

I may be wrong on this, but I'd bet that around here you'd have a much higher resale value (even accounting for higher initial cost) simply because of the perception stated by the original poster.

Sounds like some people are overly sensitive because they bought an off-brand tractor. (just kidding actually, but feel free to flame away)

I run all CNH and Deere equipment. I am not overly sensitive about this topic but I am disappointed that the OP refuses to admit he is wrong. He excluded some very large brands, much larger then Kubota but he will not admit there are more top brands then the three he mentioned. He came to this thread to knock the other brands which is why he left the Farmtrac thread. He wanted more attention.

 

[Soundguy]

. Not a good spot if you are going to leave the lawn.

I have one of the Montana tractors with the fuel tank mounted right behind the front tires. I actually thought most of the ones had it there. Especially the cab models. The tank is pretty well protected. I dont baby my 4940c at all. I have already ran a stick through the Hydraulic filter. which is underneath the tractor. I have not had a bit of problem with anything getting close to punching a hole in the fuel tank though.

I'm not a big fan of low slung fuel tanks on tractors that go rough terain.. other 'ahem' major brands have done this.. then you throw in plastic tanks... another one I'm not fond of. I like a higher mounted metal tank. Not as easy to fuel.. but sticks have a hard time poking thru a metal tank mounted lust under and in front of the steering wheel.. or behind the operators seat... that said.. the entire industry is moving to 'cheap and easy' vs 'durable'.. for many reasons.. not just initial cost.

As for the rest of the discussion.. I'd just like to kick this ball out into the field. For manufacturers that do close... Legacy parts support will be influinced by total number of machines produced and in the market. Look at ford..( new holland... case new holland ).. that blue oval tractor has been thru many hands / partnerships... and you can still get darn good legacy parts support for even some of the oldest models. IE.. you can walk into a CIH dealer and either purchase of fthe shelf, or order parts for a tractor made just shy of 70 ys ago... part of that reason is shear numbers of them made... nearly a million 9n-2n-8n, .. plus more when yuo figure the hundred series.. course it helps that many units within a series shared MANY parts.. like similar ( or identical ) engine.. etc.. Other manufacturers do this as well... you still can get MH/fergy parts from a MF dealer.. and look at Allis chalmers... lots of units.. with still fairly decent parts support... Ago is far departed from those lines now.. but the maches are out there and there is a good 2ndary market to sell parts to.

soundguy

 

[Builder]

His overall point of being concerned about owning a product from one of the smaller brands is very valid though. Shake ups and instability in this market are the norm, companies come and go all the time. The compact market has seen nearly 10 years of constant growth and right now probably has more competitors than it can support. You will see more shake-ups like this if the market turns down.

"if" ?

I'm pretty sure we're there already.

 

[Soundguy]

Good point Messick. While large foriegn manufacturers may not go out of buisiness, they may pull out of the US market; Don't you think?

This is what ended me getting any more yanmar past my 1st one... Parts support for the grey markets.. while available is not nearly as robust as for the domestic models.. ( this being mostly a legal issue.. not a supply / demand issue so much.. ) and service is even harder to locate in some areas.. etc.

soundguy

 

[turbo36]

Holy Cow! some of the folks posting here (to what I think is a perfectly innocent question) are taking this very personal. Now I see the OP is banned, what did he get banned for???

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Holy Cow! some of the folks posting here (to what I think is a perfectly innocent question) are taking this very personal. Now I see the OP is banned, what did he get banned for???

A lot of things happen that we do not always see as the moderators are great about keeping up with these types of things. Why he was banned/suspended is none of our business as it is a private matter between the OP and the site.

 

[Bird]

This thread has gotten a bit more personal than it should, in some cases, but I think the topic has been covered and it's time to close this thread.