Cooling Filter for Deutz (1430-1845-1850)

[MossRoad]

Charlie,
Is there any way to remove your stock oil cooler and replace it with a remote oil cooler?

 

[RegL]

Based on my experience with the 1845, I doubt that a difference between 1430 and 1845/50 would be explained by use of the same cooler. In the right conditions, my 1845 cooler plugs to the extent that it wouldn't cool a smaller engine either. If the core on the 1430 is different, possibly with larger passages, maybe that would explain it. It may also be that the 1845 and 1850 mowers throw more chaff.
I use my 1845 for pasture trimming, which in dry times puts up a cloud of small chaff, seeds, etc. Is there anyone on the board who uses a 1430 with 3 spindle mower in similar application?

Charlie, you may have something there about the different cutting decks. The brush hog like I'm using has blades that are flat with no lift and don't cause much turbulence. I collect a lot of seed right on top of the deck. I didn't clean it off after mowing this summer and after a couple weeks I had a pretty nice lawn growing on it.

 

[AltavistaLawn]

Charlie,
Is there any way to remove your stock oil cooler and replace it with a remote oil cooler?

I asked the Deutz dealer in Roanoke about this for mine about ayear ago. They said no because it would affect oil pressure. But it seems to me oil would flow thru it ok. ??

 

[Charlie_Iliff]

Charlie,
Is there any way to remove your stock oil cooler and replace it with a remote oil cooler?

I wouldn't want to try that. If it were just an oil cooler, maybe, but this one cools the engine. It would take real engineering. I think it's easier to clean the air flow.

 

[BobRip]

I wonder if you could add a water spray system to the cooler. It would definately cool the oil cooler, but might also do some cleaning. A 10 gallon tank might last quite a while. Easy to refill. A small electric pump could provide perssurized water to cool and clean. If would only spray when the engine was hot. Probably not the best solution.

Another solution, if you could wrap a water line around one of the oil lines and then have a water cooling radiator you would not interfere with the oil flow. The water tube could be thermally bonded to the oil line to improve heat transfer.
Just a silly thought.

 

[MossRoad]

I wouldn't want to try that. If it were just an oil cooler, maybe, but this one cools the engine. It would take real engineering. I think it's easier to clean the air flow.

Didn't we have a discussion about this last year? I though J_J brought up a kit where you remove the oil filter, install an adapter that goes to a remote cooler, then a remote filter.

 

[Charlie_Iliff]

Didn't we have a discussion about this last year? I though J_J brought up a kit where you remove the oil filter, install an adapter that goes to a remote cooler, then a remote filter.

I think we did, but last year? At my age, it could have been last week, or last night, and I could have the same discussion afresh.

There are, of course, remote oil coolers of all sizes available, myriad cooling fans, etc. There is no air to liquid cooling system that I've ever had that didn't require some air filter to keep clean in high-chaff conditions. I had a little Kubota 7100 that had a fine mesh radiator filter, as did my Jacobsen front mower. I don't think placement of the cooler somewhere else would eliminate the problem on the 1845/1850, and plumbing hoses into the system would require tapping holes in the engine, which I prefer not to do.

I have been fairly satisfied with taped on screenwire filter, and Sedgewick has gotten even longer mowing time with finer insulation mesh, as he has posted. With either, overheating really is a matter of paying attention and keeping it clean: a maintenance issue. Once you realize that you can't just blow out the clogs: that you really have to clean with inspection light through the radiator, and just tape screen on the back of the machine, mowing time goes up from a couple of hours to a full day or more.
I am only playing with the centrifugal filter and perhaps a baffle system because it's fun to do so, not because I can't mow without it. I have several hundred hours of high-chaff mowing with nary a complaint from the horses, and a minimal number from their humans. If I get it so I don't have to clean it more than once a month, I'll challenge PT to sell a similar system.

 

[MikeOConnor]

Yep, I'm with the "clean the air" crowd. My plan is to rig up something like JJ's got next summer, but I'm keeping a sharp eye on your project Charlie. Keep us posted on that one.

 

[BobRip]

This does get to the root of the problem and that is usually the best way to solve a problem. Keep it clean.

 

[MossRoad]

My thought was by having a remote oil cooler, it would be easier to clean both sides of it than the current setup you have. The oil cooler on the old IH was in front of the radiator. It had a wing nut that you could unscrew and the oil cooler was on a hinge. I would just shut down the unit, wipe off the front of the oil cooler, remove the wingnut, swing the oil cooler away from the radiator, clean the rear of the oil cooler and the front of the radiator, close it up, replace the wing nut, fire it back up and move on. I would think that a remote oil cooler with an electric fan mounted inside the engine cover near one of the sides could be rigged up pretty easily using the oil filter as the tap.

Here's a link to one of the kits I am talking about. Could one or two of those kits be added to increase the time between chaf cleanings, or at least make it easier, perhaps?