Cougar scat near the barn!

   / Cougar scat near the barn! #31  
CurlyDave summed up the Southern Oregon mentality about cougars: Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-up.

Seriously, I have 2 little kids, 2 goats, a dog, and a donkey, and 320 acres of timberland to live on. The donkey is the real guard animal. Nothing gets by without him braying or hoofing it to death. Before we got him a few months ago, one goat was attacked at night. Most likely cougar but could have been coyotes or local dog. With the kids playing outside, I'm more worried about rattlesnakes than cougars. I put 2 rounds of snake-shot in the first 2 chambers of the 6 shooter 357.

Marcus
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #32  
CurlyDave summed up the Southern Oregon mentality about cougars: Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-up.

Seriously, I have 2 little kids, 2 goats, a dog, and a donkey, and 320 acres of timberland to live on. The donkey is the real guard animal. Nothing gets by without him braying or hoofing it to death. Before we got him a few months ago, one goat was attacked at night. Most likely cougar but could have been coyotes or local dog. With the kids playing outside, I'm more worried about rattlesnakes than cougars. I put 2 rounds of snake-shot in the first 2 chambers of the 6 shooter 357.

Marcus

I didn't think they had rattlers up in Oregon. What variety are they?

I installed a nighttime IR hunting camera on my lot in Arizona. I will go back in 2 weeks to pull the data card to see what I caught. I wonder if I got any mountain lions???

Out in Arizona one can shoot a mountain lion if they feel threatened. Also, the Game & Fish Department will kill a mountain lion on site if they spot a mountain lion in a residential area.
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #34  
Some say physicians who don't know how to treat snake bites kill more people than snakes. The anti-venom serum, if improperly administered, can be fatal.

Primary source of my observation comes from a man who had been bitten so many times in his life that he was allergic to the anti-venom serum, and was a safety consultant to physicians, oil companies, etc.
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #35  
I grew up in NE NC with several varieties of rattlesnake, but what we feared more were the cottonmouths. The copperheads were about on par with the rattlers except they tended to be quicker to bite.;)
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #36  
From Wikipedia "At least 20 people in North America were killed by cougars between 1890 and 2011, including six in California. More than two-thirds of the Canadian fatalities occurred on Vancouver Island in British Columbia. Fatal cougar attacks are extremely rare and occur much less frequently than fatal dog attacks, fatal snake bites, fatal lightning strikes, or fatal bee stings.[citation needed] Children are particularly vulnerable. The majority of the child victims listed here were alone or accompanied only by other children."

Can't say I want to argue the number of deaths but I do think its on the low side.

It's on the amazingly low side. PETAphiles and people of similar ilk love to distort how harmless predatory wildlife are.

For a little better illumination, I offer you this:

MOUNTAIN LION FACT SHEET

Here are a few documented mountain lion attacks on humans:

1. Spring, 1986 - Orange County, California - Laura Small, age 5, was attacked by a mountain lion in the Ronald W. Caspars Wilderness Park. The female lion attacked her head and dragged her off. Laura suffered paralysis of her right side and was confined to a wheelchair for a period of time. She has had 11 operations. Now Laura has a steel plate in her skull. Her right leg is weak, her right arm is partially paralyzed and she is blind in her left eye.

A lawsuit of $100 million and $750,000 in personal damage was filed against Orange County. Small was awarded $2 million dollars. Orange County appealed the ruling.

2. August 1986 - Justin Mellon, age 6, was hiking in Ronald W. Caspars Wilderness Park. He was attacked and mauled by a female lion. Mellon suffered bites to the head, leg and stomach. His injuries were not as severe as that of Laura Small. Note: Due to the lawsuit over the Laura Small attack, the Board of Supervisors for Orange County decided not to allow minors into Caspars Wilderness Park at all. (Information compiled from Ronald W. Caspars Wilderness Park, U. S. Department of Agriculture, Wildlife Services, Sacramento, California and various news reports.)

3. 1989 - Evaro, Montana - Jake Gardipe, age 5, was killed by two or three mountain lions (possibly a female with two kittens) while riding his tricycle in his front yard. The boy was dragged from the yard and the body was found nearby several hours later. The boy's home was 100 yards from U.S. Highway 93 just outside of Evaro. (Associated Press, September 13, 1989)

4. 1989 - Apache Junction, Arizona - Joshua Walsh, age 5, was mauled by a mountain lion near Canyon Lake, some 30 miles northeast of Phoenix. Without warning, and near a parking lot and boat dock filled with people, the mountain lion attacked Joshua, bit him on the head and began to shake him with its jaws and drag him away. Tim Walsh, Joshua's father, leaped down a 20-foot embankment, grabbed a rock, threw it and hit the lion on the head, scaring it. The lion dropped the boy. Joshua was air-lifted to Phoenix Children's Hospital where it took 100 stitches to close Joshua's head wounds, including re-attachment of his right ear which was nearly severed in the attack. (Phoenix Gazette, May 1, 1989, page A-1)

5. 1991 - Nevada Test Site, north of Las Vegas, Nevada - Mary Saether, was attacked by a 120-pound female mountain lion. She suffered minor cuts and received 21 stitches on her head, right arm, and back. The cougar crept up on Saether and two male companions and attacked before they were aware of its presence. The two men beat the lion with their cameras forcing it to release Saether. A Wildlife Services Specialist arrived the next day. As he was doing a preliminary check, he heard noise in a tree and turned to find the lion charging. The man had only enough time to draw his handgun and shoot the lion at point blank range. The lion was found to be in good health. (U. S. Department of Agriculture, Wildlife Services, Reno, Nevada and various news reports)

6. 1991 - Idaho Springs, Colorado - Scott Dale Lancaster, age 18, was killed by a lion while jogging near his high school. Lancaster was attacked by a 90 - 100 pound female cougar and dragged some 60 feet away. When asked how severely the boy was mauled by the lion, Undersheriff Dave Graham replied, "Bad!" It took authorities two days to find Lancaster's body. (Clear Creek Courant, January 16, 1991, page 1)

7. 1991 - Riverside, California - Searchers found evidence that Travis Zwieg, age 3, of La Quinta, California, was possibly attacked by a mountain lion. Shoe prints thought to be Zwieg's were found a half mile from where the toddler disappeared. The prints stopped at a rocky overhang where mountain lion prints were found. "Where the shoes stopped, there was a slide area and what they believed to be drag marks," said Sgt. Craig Kilday. (Associated Press, February 26, 1991 - Note: We found no record of the boy being found.)

8. 1992 - Gaviota State Park, near Santa Barbara, California Darron Arroyo, age 9, was attacked by a mountain lion as he walked along a park trail. Darron was hiking with his two brothers when a lion rushed from the bushes and attacked, attempting to drag him off in the brush. Steven Arroyo, Darron's father, was walking about a hundred yards behind the boys. He heard the screams and saw the lion dragging Darron. Steven rushed toward the cat, picked up a rock, threw it and struck the lion between the eyes. The lion dropped the boy and left the area. Darron sustained bites to the face and head and scratches to the chest. (Information compiled from Santa Barbara News Press, Gaviota State Park and California Department of Fish and Game, Sacramento, California.)

9. 1992 - Wenatchee, Washington - Jessica Vanney, age 5, suffered cuts and puncture wounds when a 60-pound mountain lion attacked her as she walked along a path through trees at a 100-site campground in Lake Wenatchee State Park. Her father, Michael Vanney, witnessed the attack. "Jessica was 4 or 5 feet in front of me. She walked between two trees and I saw some movement out of the corner of my eye. Then I saw the cougar run around a tree and jump on her. Its front paws just wrapped right around her head and shoulders." Vanney grabbed his hunting knife and attacked the animal. This is the third known lion attack in the state. (Associated Press, June 18, 1992 - Note: What if this was a full grown lion weighing 150 pounds? What if Jessica was walking that path by herself?)

10. 1992 - Vancouver Island, British Colombia - An 8-year-old Kyuquot Indian boy, Jeremy Williams, was fatally mauled by a mountain lion in the village of Kyuquot. The boy's father and a dozen youngsters witnessed the attack. Jeremy was attacked as he sat on the grass in the elementary school playground. The cougar rushed and attacked the freckled, red-haired youngster as other children ran for help. Kevin Williams, Jeremy's father and a teacher at the school, hurried to the scene and watched helplessly while children screamed in panic. The school's janitor shot and killed the 60-pound lion. Richard Leo, a Kyuquot Indian chief, said angry parents accused the school board of ignoring the danger of wild animals. (Associated Press, 1992)

11. 1994 - Auburn Lake Trails, California (near Sacramento) - a 40-year-old vocational rehabilitation counselor, Barbara Schoener, was attacked and killed by a mountain lion. Schoener was jogging in the popular Auburn Trails area when a cougar attacked her from behind. The force of attack caused Schoener off the trail. Schoener made two strides before falling 30 feet. Schoener then stood up and moved another 25 feet down the slope where the final attack occurred. Wounds on Schoener's forearms and hands showed attempts to defend herself, but the 5-foot-8-inch, 120-pound woman was no match for the lion. The lion dragged Schoener 300 feet downhill and, after feeding on her, buried her with leaves and debris. Schoener received two fatal wounds - a crushed skull and bites to the head and neck. (Sacramento Bee Final, April 27, 1994, page B1 and B4)
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #37  
Yeah, they said that for years and years here in Missouri too. LOL..then when you see your first track, you know you have been lied to all that time.. Now game camera pix are so common it is not news any more. They are here.. and I bet you got 'em too!

James K0UA

James,

I think your'e right. They did the same thing with Coyotes here in PA. Now we are polluted with them. I can't speak for Missouri but it's all about Law Enforcement and fines and very little if anything to do with Game management and habit management.
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #38  
We've got them up here in the bush. We've got bobcats, too. I like that theory, shoot shovel and shut up.
 
   / Cougar scat near the barn! #40  
It's on the amazingly low side. PETAphiles and people of similar ilk love to distort how harmless predatory wildlife are.

For a little better illumination, I offer you this:

11. 1994 - Auburn Lake Trails, California (near Sacramento) - a 40-year-old vocational rehabilitation counselor, Barbara Schoener, was attacked and killed by a mountain lion. Schoener was jogging in the popular Auburn Trails area when a cougar attacked her from behind. The force of attack caused Schoener off the trail. Schoener made two strides before falling 30 feet. Schoener then stood up and moved another 25 feet down the slope where the final attack occurred. Wounds on Schoener's forearms and hands showed attempts to defend herself, but the 5-foot-8-inch, 120-pound woman was no match for the lion. The lion dragged Schoener 300 feet downhill and, after feeding on her, buried her with leaves and debris. Schoener received two fatal wounds - a crushed skull and bites to the head and neck. (Sacramento Bee Final, April 27, 1994, page B1 and B4)

Auburn Lake Trails near Cool, CA is a 900 homesite gated community catering primarily to equestrian zoned properties with facilities for various horsemanship events. The property's surrounding rugged Serria foothill area provides excellent and mostly remote riding trails.
The 80lb female cougar was soon found and shot and upon a laboratory examination it was determined that the animal had given birth to two cubs within the past four to six weeks.
With that information, search teams went back into the area and found one cub which was rescued and turned over to authorities for raising and future release.
 

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