County says no camping on your own land !!

[chickenman]

I have farmland assessment on all bu 1 acre of land for the house and was told I couldn't store personal items like cars and boats in barns because then it wouldn't be farm related.

Just something I have to live with.

 

[bcp]

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities."

Thomas Jefferson

 

[aczlan]

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities."

Thomas Jefferson

An argument could be made that my neighbors place looking like something out of an episode of a hoarders show is injuring me in that it reduces the price that I could get for my property if I wish to sell it.

Aaron Z

 

[westcliffe01]

For most of us, the availability of employment and the magnitude of property taxes, together with restrictive ordinances are far more important in determining resale value of real estate than whether the house 2 doors up is a bit run down. Sadly, as employment opportunities have gone down, local government has refused to live within their means and what has happened is that property taxes have gone up (by increasing the millage annually). Jackson County MI used to have an "average" middle class neighborhood property tax of <$2500/yr in 2003 and that is now approaching $4000/yr while at the same time the median household income has dropped substantially. Enrollment in schools continues to decrease annually, resulting in diminished subsidies by state and Fed, yet teachers and superintendent expect pay raises annually. Locally, deputies and teachers are now the wealthiest people living in most suburbs.

This entire ordinance issue was born of the last big property bubble (in locations like mine) and all of the BS regulations which were passed (and are very selectively applied) have not been repealed since. Just about everyone is now upside down on their mortgage (if it is less than 10 years old), yet the ordinance that requires me to have a survey before I put up a fence (regardless of whether the surveyor stakes are known) remains in effect.

The system of government is just not configured to accept reductions in funding. Back when property taxes were $2500/home, the county actually maintained the roads and plowed in winter, yet now that they are $4000/yr there is hardly any road maintenance anymore and the county plow might come down our street 2 or 3 days after a snow storm, by which time we have taken care of the road ourselves or we could not go to work.

I can move to Colorado to one of the rural communities and graze a few head of cattle on my land and pay $250/yr in taxes and not have the county plow the road or maintain it. What do you suppose I am going to do to limit my fixed expenses in my retirement ? They have a limit to camping there too, but they allow 120 days/yr by default and full time camping is OK if you are engaged in the construction of your home on the property.

 

[grsthegreat]

Here in Idaho you CAN camp on your own land... not an issue.

id move from any state that tried to control your lift this much.

 

[TomSeller]

Can't camp on your own property without a permit? I hope I never fall asleep on my lawn chair.

 

[irwin]

Can't camp on your own property without a permit? I hope I never fall asleep on my lawn chair.

hahaha, snort.. thanks for that one Tom :laughing:

 

[irwin]

I don't want anyone in my business either and where I live (unless you are runnign a junkyard) you arent likley to get code enforcement stopping in, but the problem is that the assessed value doesn't change, just what someone is willing to pay for your property or you cant find someone who is willing to buy because the buyers do like irwin did and look to see what the neighbors properties are like first and crossed your property off their list.

Aaron Z

That was my point exactly. I'm lucky to have good nieghbors where I live now..yes, we all have some junk on our property, we live kinda in the sticks. It would be silly to think my rural area will be pristine without exception... However, if one nearby neighbor filled their eight acres with "horders" style junk, it might make my property sell for many thousand$ less. This would directly affect me. Sure would be hard for me to afford to "move back to the city where I belong"

 

[SPIKER]

I agree about the Property tax issues, when I bought my farm 13 yrs ago taxes were $380.00/yr. The last payment for my half year was $645.00 which is 4 times higher in 13 years! I know my property value has not gone up 4 times for sure... Though I believe I got a deal when I bought my place...

Like a lot of you are saying that the neighbors JUNK makes your place worth LESS. Well that may be true but how often do you plan to sell? MAYBE one time and who know WHEN or IF the said property will still be JUNKY in (YOUR opinion.) What is the chance the prospective buyers will see it and think WOW I can under bid for the property as there are one or two junky looking places in the neighborhood>??? Personally if someone was to look at your property and say I LOVE it but that JUNKY PLACE means I wont buy or live there? Probably NONE as if someone likes a place they will make an offer to what it is worth per values in the area period... If they DONT like it they will use every excuse in book or will use all kinds to try and get it cheaper. When you are selling stick to the price you believe it is worth if buyer does not meet it they can walk away and you wait for someone new...


I like how some people talk about how we have to take care of the globe? Please people and animals have been pooping on the dirt for a LONG TIME... Modern systems are much better but still nothing wrong with a outhouse when ya gotta go ya gotta go The people out west have it a lot better than the people back east where generations have lived longer so junk piles are common. My place had probably 6 or 8 different piles that I've cleaned down to 3ish so my place I bought the land logs and piles of old junk at a good price. I've put sweat equity into it and a good bit of $ in a few short years all mine but the yearly rental fee's that keep going up.

Having a trailer to stay in on the weekends should be aloud, heck when we were kids living town we camped in sheet tents in back yard hundreds of times... This guys OP has water elec and sewer from the old trailer that was there so all the issues are with the code enforcers. They tried to do the same to my brother but they found out just because there is a CODE on the books does not mean they can really enforce it in a court of law as many of these "CODES" can not really be enforced when push comes to shove. though legal fees will/can eat you alive to prove it as remember the Constitution can only be EXPANDED ON by the states/localities they (States/Localities) can not constrict your freedoms.



Mark

 

[NorTracNY]

As I said earlier. Can someone please find the cases where a neighbor having an "eye sore" reduced the value of your place? I know an attorney that actually looked for these type of cases. They are very rare.