Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank?

   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #11  
I had an old trailer made from a '66 or thereabouts Chevy truck bed sitting around. I got it licensed and roadworthy and installed 3ea. 55 gallon steel drums I had sitting around Went to TSC and bought their cheapest 12v pump (about a hundred bucks), installed a used battery I had sitting around and had a shed that wasn't used. So much for fueling problems. The setup is under the DOT placard for Haz Mat starting weight so placards aren't required.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank?
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Well ****, 55gal drums never even crossed my mind, and there's surplus drums everywhere around here for dirt cheap too. Though, rather randomly, I did come across an 80 gallon fuel tank not too long ago on CL for $100 that I ended up grabbing, really as more of a replacement the pickup saddle tank that a PO added to my '59 International 2 ton truck...poorly. Looks like he just lopped off a section of frame rail for the hanger mounts from the pickup, used copious amounts of gorilla snot and bubble gum to "weld" that frame chunk to the frame of the International under the flatbed, then hung the tank with factory straps. Not to mention, that tank looks completely out of place on a truck like that. The 80 gallon one is basically a long rectangle, 17" high/deep, 64" wide. No idea if it was a factory tank out of some equipment, or an aftermarket, or intended as a transfer tank, but it definitely looks much more "correct" hanging under that truck. Does have what appears to be a factory welded filler tube on one end, as well as a NPT threaded port centered on the top and bottom. I haven't yet pulled them out to see if it's set up as top vent/bottom feed, or if it has a pickup tube on the top with bottom drain/vented through filler cap.

As that truck isn't going to be on the road for a bit still, I may end up strapping that one down to the trailer for a while or doing a quick frame for it to rest on in the back of the Chevy pickup as a transfer tank so that the fuel outlet on the bottom will clear the bed. Either way, I'm planning on contacting AZDOT before doing any of the above to verify what is and isn't legal here. More so if it ends up underneath the International, as anything 1 ton and larger is automatically registered/plated with commercial plates in Arizona, regardless of whether it's used commercially or strictly personal. Thankfully we're not required to carry commercial insurance or deal with DOT logs and other commercial regulations like that if it's a personal vehicle, and I doubt any LEO is going to suspect an antique truck of running commercially, but I can't find anything that deals specifically with personal use of "commercial" vehicles like this. This has been the source of much confusion for many of us, as there really isn't a clear delimiter of what applies when using large trucks for personal use that isn't RV related. Which is understandable...not many people want to use medium and heavy duty trucks for personal use when modern light duty pickups are plenty stout enough.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #13  
You would NOT want to haul gasoline that way and I'm not sure anyone will deliver gasoline in bulk to a private residence. Regulations and insurance would be major issues.

The most gasoline I ever carried was 4 five gallon cans and I went straight from the station to the house.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #14  
The liability of hauling gasoline on public roads in unapproved containers for that purpose is scary. I would not want to lose my life's savings by going cheap to save a few cents at the pump.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #16  
Lots of nay sayers on here;
myself I'd strap one of those tanks down good in my pickup,
fill it and take it home.
Then I'd fill everything that needed gas and then pump it out into one of the other tanks you have,
repeat that as and when needed.

Also in my area you can still get gasoline delivered to a home or farm, minimum delivery of 250 gallons, and the price is usually a nickle or $0.15 higher then the normal station prices.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #17  
Might want to look at this for better reference. Have to be concerned with DOT regulations no matter if for personal use. Local jurisdictions may have further restrictions. Better to be safe than sorry. Fines are expensive enough. A lawsuit could be disastrous!

Google DOT regulations on gasoline transport
 

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   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank?
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You would NOT want to haul gasoline that way and I'm not sure anyone will deliver gasoline in bulk to a private residence. Regulations and insurance would be major issues.

The most gasoline I ever carried was 4 five gallon cans and I went straight from the station to the house.

The liability of hauling gasoline on public roads in unapproved containers for that purpose is scary. I would not want to lose my life's savings by going cheap to save a few cents at the pump.


Ok, so educate me.

How is this inherently safer,

truck_gas_cans.jpg

than this?
tank.jpg

How did that tank go from safe and acceptable when the factory hung it off the side of the '85 Chevy pickup, yet suddenly turn into a horrible idea when identically hung off the side of a much larger '59 International?

How is this OK, yet not OK if the cab/front frame section is replaced with a trailer hitch coupler? r190.jpg

How does something like a generator trailer go from perfectly A-OK, to a bomb just waiting to go off when a bus full of nuns and puppies comes near after the generator is removed just leaving a fuel tank behind? genny-trailer.jpg

It's not like I'm talking about strapping 100 old milk jugs or soda pop bottles down somewhere...these are actual gas tanks that I'm looking at here. I'm not trying to be argumentative, or attempting to corner people into inadvertently agreeing with me, just trying to understand it all. I'm not following how a tank that left the factory as a gas tank suddenly becomes an "unapproved container" when moved to a different truck or trailer, or what makes them unsuitable to carry gas compared to a welded steel box that comes with a $1000 price tag because it's sized to fit inside a pickup bed and has a couple flat plates welded to it to screw it down.

I did recently start finding appropriate sections of the CFRs & FMVSS for this as well, though that's going to involve a lot of reading...sounds like a good way to peel off a few hours this weekend.
 
   / Couple of old truck gas tanks on trailer as poor man's transfer tank? #20  
I realized that I've got several large, 30+ gallon fuel tanks left over from trucks that I've used as parts trucks/donor trucks, a few of which are basically large rectangles that would be super simple to mount to one of my small utility trailers. We also have a local salvage yard with a bunch of semi trucks in them that I could likely get a tank from pretty cheap. Add a 12VDC universal inline fuel pump, and bingo - dirt cheap redneck transfer tank that I could just trailer into the city with me once a month or so?

Other than being really slow, and a bit cumbersome to use without having a typical gas pump handle/nozzle thing, is there anything that would make this a Darwin Award nominee level bad idea? I figure it would be easy enough to make a cover for them too if it's a "it will attract the attention of every cop in a 10 mile radius" kind of thing too. :laughing:

Make your own decision baddecision as we have gave our opinions. You have said that 5 gal fuel jugs are now "expensive" so I doubt you are willing to spend much money at all. I, for one, am not going to condone a junkyard bulk gasoline transporting trailer on the public roadways. :laughing:
 

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