Coyotes and Deer

[N80]

No, what I've heard is that coyotes and cockroaches will be around long after mankind is gone.

I think all that comes from 1950's fears of post-nuclear anihilation. Outside of invertebrates we humans are one of the most successful species ever.

But why the sad face in reference to "us" surviving? Are you one of those environmentalists who will only be happy when mankind has been removed?

Ken

That's a puzzled face not a sad face, but yes, I am a card carrying leftist, pinko, enviro-terrorist anarchist hydrostatic-transmission-hating wacko. My entire wardrobe consists of che Gueverra t-shirts and I'm on CNN all the time as the last Occupy Wallstreet protestor in Mayberry. I thought everyone here knew that.

 

[dmccarty]

As I understand it, coyotes are a lot more adaptable to human presence than wolves. Coyotes adapt to urban/suburban areas, wolves did not.

I have heard that too but I question if it is true. We all but wiped out wolves in the US so they have a much longer road to recovery. How would we know that wolves do not adapt when they simply do not exist over the vast majority of the US? We wiped out the wolves and we could wipe out the coyotes if we wanted too. I am not say that we should, but that we could and that we can make dent in coyote population if desired. Put a bounty on coyotes and watch the population drop.

Later,
Dan

 

[N80]

I think some species are clearly more adaptable than others. Physiologically the extinct Ivory Billed woodpecker is almost indistinct from the very common Pileated woodpecker that it shared the same habitat and range with.

Could we humans wipe out coyotes? Sure, given draconian measures. But I think we are talking about measures within the realm of fiscal and PR constraints. Could we lower populations in a given area with trapping, hunting and maybe even bounties? Of course. But I personally believe it will take more than irate farmers and deer hunters and even dedicated coyote hunters. We've had all that here for 5-10 years and the population is at least stable within the small territory that I can observe....maybe a thousand acres or so.

 

[Biggreenavalanche]

I think all that comes from 1950's fears of post-nuclear anihilation. Outside of invertebrates we humans are one of the most successful species ever.



That's a puzzled face not a sad face, but yes, I am a card carrying leftist, pinko, enviro-terrorist anarchist hydrostatic-transmission-hating wacko. My entire wardrobe consists of che Gueverra t-shirts and I'm on CNN all the time as the last Occupy Wallstreet protestor in Mayberry. I thought everyone here knew that.

LMAO !

 

[westcliffe01]

Dan, in the time that the great predator reduction took place, people lived on the land, and were not concentrated in cities. Quite the opposite to today. The people who now live on the land have no hope of making a (substantial) impact on the coyote population, any more than the Texans can to the hogs they have, without resorting to shooting them from the air, hundreds in 1 day, as opposed to 5-10 a year from the ground. No-one (especially the "environmentalists") seem to consider how the human population is distributed anymore.

 

[J35]

I have heard that too but I question if it is true. We all but wiped out wolves in the US so they have a much longer road to recovery. How would we know that wolves do not adapt when they simply do not exist over the vast majority of the US? We wiped out the wolves and we could wipe out the coyotes if we wanted too. I am not say that we should, but that we could and that we can make dent in coyote population if desired. Put a bounty on coyotes and watch the population drop.

Later,
Dan

Think about this, the wolf was removed with nothing more than guns, traps and strychnine and a few good men.

The coyote was there the whole time and he is still here today with no help from anyone.

In the 1950's ,60's and 70's whole armies of men were tasked with eliminating the coyote, men that knew the coyote, they had guns, traps, dogs, strychnine, 1080, airplanes, helicopters, free range, no seasons, year round persecution. Guess what--no joy.

The US Fish and wildlife still employ several good men that hit trouble spots today, no poison, Mainly airplanes and guys on the ground with dogs mopping up the cripples and den hunting with dogs for pups when the planes not flying.

You mentioned bounties, I believe there are still quite a few counties in the US that pay bounties.

But the best money is paid from the fur market, check out the recent wild fur sales in the US and Canada . Add up the numbers sold from that one sale and then ponder how many sales there are scattered across the US and Canada and then ponder that number and then ponder the number you would have if you multiplied that by say 35 years that's a heck of a lot of coyotes. I have seen 20,000 coyotes at a small auction in Globe AZ. Just about every state has a fur auction once or twice a year. A renewable resource if there ever was one.

After all that the only thing that ever had a regional effect on coyote population was Parvo Distemper and that only lasted about two years back in the 80's.

Adaptable, He is genetically programmed to be just that.

Have fun --J

 

[J35]

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[Beltzington]

I think all that comes from 1950's fears of post-nuclear anihilation. Outside of invertebrates we humans are one of the most successful species ever.



That's a puzzled face not a sad face, but yes, I am a card carrying leftist, pinko, enviro-terrorist anarchist hydrostatic-transmission-hating wacko. My entire wardrobe consists of che Gueverra t-shirts and I'm on CNN all the time as the last Occupy Wallstreet protestor in Mayberry. I thought everyone here knew that.

No, a true intellect would not have misspelled Guevara, seems you have confused even yourself. Time put this rant to bed, or not, two coyotes walked into a bar...

 

[dmccarty]

Think about this, the wolf was removed with nothing more than guns, traps and strychnine and a few good men.

The coyote was there the whole time and he is still here today with no help from anyone.

In the 1950's ,60's and 70's whole armies of men were tasked with eliminating the coyote, men that knew the coyote, they had guns, traps, dogs, strychnine, 1080, airplanes, helicopters, free range, no seasons, year round persecution. Guess what--no joy.

The wolf was removed over a period of centuries. The coyotes removal was over a period of decades. Big difference. If we wanted the coyote gone, it would be gone, but we don't want the coyote gone. Good gracious we eradicates Smallpox from the population, and if not for nut jobs, Polio would be gone. Malaria and other mosquito born illnesses used to be a huge problem in the US but we wiped out the mosquito's carrying the diseases. A big four legged critter would be easy in comparison.

I don't think that coyotes SHOULD be removed nor do I think they WILL be removed. The vast majority of people do not live on the land anymore and their food is not a product of their direct labor. People just don't see a problem if a coyote, hawk, or fox eats someone elses live stock, after all, it is not THEIR problem. Back in the day, when that chicken WAS worth something, when momma was selling surplus eggs and keeping the egg money, and when the chicken would be dinner one day, loosing that chicken to a fox, coyote, wolf, or chicken hawk impacted your belly. You killed that threat to your lively hood. This is not a concern to the vast majority of Americans today. If it was, coyotes would be wiped like the wolves.

Later,
Dan

 

[N80]

No, a true intellect would not have misspelled Guevara,

But a true sense of humor might have.......