Coyotes and Deer

   / Coyotes and Deer #141  
Bingo! And if you countered their ideas with your own they might feel the same way, right?

Nope, you are equating "first, do no harm" with "I think I know what I am doing." They are not comparable in principle or action.

That is not a rational conclusion. That is like saying your house is on fire but since you don't know all the principles of fire fighting that you don't try something. Even if you're not a professional fire fighter you know not to throw gasoline on it and you have at least a vague notion that water might help. Doing nothing can be as detrimental as doing something. Doing nothing will achieve the same outcome as thwoing gasoline on it. And it really isn't fair to tell someone else they shouldn't throw water on their burning house just because they aren't a firefighter.......especially when your house is not on fire.

This is a poor analogy in that nature (minus human impacts) left to its own devices, does not need saving or to be improved upon. And again, you are comparing managed habitat, a house, a farm, etc., with un-managed habitat.

And again, aren't you the one arguing that we'd all be in hot water if the liberals hadn't been doing something?

I you think about it, what environmentalists, most commonly found among the liberal persuasion these days, do for the most part is to try to stop projects that will have detrimental effects on wildlife populations and habitats. Actually, they are asking that others do nothing, or at least do something less harmful. In some cases, environmentalists will actively "do" something such as restore habitat, because somebody else did harm in the past. If you want to argue the semantics of "do" you are missing the point. Yes, this is a generalization.

And I'm all for leaving some stuff alone if that's what seems like the best thing to do. I like to think that there are areas that are "pristine" and "untouched". But that is still a choice that is based on how we want things to be. And leaving habitat alone is not always the best policy. We often put out forest fires in our national parks even though the fires are part of a natural, regenerative process. There are good arguments on both sides of that issue.

We put out forest fires in national parks, which are only partially protected reserves, in part because we are playing catch-up with past policies that "seemed" liked the best thing to do when they were used, or because bark beetles have killed millions of trees, or because we want to save homes. That's the problem with not knowing enough. You may believe we have a choice about the way we "want things to be" but history tells us we, or following generations, often get something else. It only takes a smidgen of humility to admit that.

George, we have beat this to death. I appreciate sharing viewpoints with you, but I'm done with it. It's your thread.
 
   / Coyotes and Deer #142  
Dave, we'll start relocating coyotes to your county to "put things into balance" and see where things are in 10 years time.... Go back a few generations there were no coyotes in the eastern US, they were all out west. How do you suppose they got to spread across the entire US, which they had never done before in such a short time ? Perhaps the same way Canadian wolves ended up the the Michigan UP ? Do gooders "restoring the habitat" ?
 
   / Coyotes and Deer #143  
I have seen a coyote following a deer on its tail, deer was moving quickly to get away.
I have always heard they only bother injured deer. I am not sure it the one I saw was
injured or not.

I have seen a coyote circle my cows before, Cows paid no attention to it at all after several up and
around trips, I shot it.
 
   / Coyotes and Deer #144  
I have seen a coyote following a deer on its tail, deer was moving quickly to get away.
I have always heard they only bother injured deer. I am not sure it the one I saw was
injured or not.

I have seen a coyote circle my cows before, Cows paid no attention to it at all after several up and
around trips, I shot it.

Coyotes definitely take down healthy deer where I'm from. It is on an island with relatively few wide open spaces so they hunt in the forest where I imagine the deer cannot run quite as quickly as in an open field.
 
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#145  
George, we have beat this to death. I appreciate sharing viewpoints with you, but I'm done with it. It's your thread.

Well, I did start it. :)
 
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#146  
Maybe it is time for a brief summary:

I saw coyotes chasing a deer for the first time. I killed one of them with a .308. It turns out that coyotes probably do attack and kill healthy adult deer. I would prefer that they didn't do that on my property. I'm going to shoot them with a .270 from now on, probably with a 130g bullet but I did find a 120g that would do nicely. Liberals saved the planet while the rest of us were plotting to exterminate coyotes. The end.
 
   / Coyotes and Deer #148  
I don't think we have a hope of exterminating them, but they certainly may not be so brazen when they see one of us coming. Unlike what happened with the Canadian singer in the state/NP where they were protected.

Varmint Al, a guy who worked at a gov research lab in CA keeps a pretty graphic scrapbook on coyote attacks here Coyote Attacks on Children where you can see pictures of other peoples kids who got bit in the face by coyotes and were only saved by the presence of an adult, who fortunately reacted immediately to the situation. More coming to your neighborhood unless we are allowed to begin shooting them.

Local governments recruit hunters to cull deer in parks when they become a problem, I have no idea why this does not get done with predators in neighborhoods. I suppose it just makes too much sense.
 
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The thing is, westcliffe01, we do not have to justify killing coyotes to people who have no sympathy for those impacted by them. At least where I live killing coyotes is legal and encouraged, year round, any time of day. I can shoot them purely for my own personal entertainment and it is legally and morally acceptable. No further justification required.
 
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