I have never seen them hunt in packs here in West Virginia(not to say they don't) I once had a herd of Red Angus and right in the middle of the afternoon,I seen one in the middle of the heard looking at a potential calve/meal,he went to the woods and buy the time I got my gun,he was no where to be seen. I had a Yellow Black Mouth Cur/Leopard Cur mix dog and he had a path beat across the woods that night,because he kept hearing the darn thing and the cattle carrying on,I believe that cur dog kept him out of the cattle that night and probably saved some calves.
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<font color=blue>most likely to happen when the cow is in the process of calving</font color=blue>
That's just what a couple of neighbors have told me, too. The closest neighbor had 5 donkeys in with his cows for several years; got rid of all 5 last year; lost so many calves he bought more donkeys.
Bird
That's just what a couple of neighbors have told me, too. The closest neighbor had 5 donkeys in with his cows for several years; got rid of all 5 last year; lost so many calves he bought more donkeys.
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Glenn,
<font color=blue>Around here, you can be criminally prosecuted and jailed for harming another person's dog. </font color=blue>
It's probably about the same most everywhere, but as you well know, not everyone follows the law. If they did you might become a full time farmer/tractor consultant/author/open your own dealership.... not bad options /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Al
<font color=blue>Around here, you can be criminally prosecuted and jailed for harming another person's dog. </font color=blue>
It's probably about the same most everywhere, but as you well know, not everyone follows the law. If they did you might become a full time farmer/tractor consultant/author/open your own dealership.... not bad options /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Al
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Here in NH we have packs of coyotes. Like any predator, they'll get more agressive if food gets scarce.
Around here we have enough turkeys, rabbit, grouse, field mice, etc.. to keep them fat and happy. They will go after cats which stray from a home.
They also do like the afterbirth from cows which deliver in the fields. In our area, I've never heard of coyotes killing pastured cows.
At night they'll approach a house (rarely in the day unless they are extremely hungry or sick or a straggler). We've had them bed down in our unmowed pastures near the house and they do love to sing.
Our 2 dogs (border collie / black lab mix) will howl back at them. They've even chased a few stragglers during daylight hours.
I'd never let a dog out at night to chase any predator including coyotes (just not worth the risk). IMO, if you have a predator problem, lock up your animales at night (if possible). If not, make sure you have enough of them to feed the predators and have some left for yourself
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Around here we have enough turkeys, rabbit, grouse, field mice, etc.. to keep them fat and happy. They will go after cats which stray from a home.
They also do like the afterbirth from cows which deliver in the fields. In our area, I've never heard of coyotes killing pastured cows.
At night they'll approach a house (rarely in the day unless they are extremely hungry or sick or a straggler). We've had them bed down in our unmowed pastures near the house and they do love to sing.
Our 2 dogs (border collie / black lab mix) will howl back at them. They've even chased a few stragglers during daylight hours.
I'd never let a dog out at night to chase any predator including coyotes (just not worth the risk). IMO, if you have a predator problem, lock up your animales at night (if possible). If not, make sure you have enough of them to feed the predators and have some left for yourself
. My 2 cents worth,
Bill
Some dogs will chase a deer until it drops,and that is no good,I have seen deer running where they are completely exhausted and lay down and you can walk right up to them,if I had a dog running deer I would take a 2x4 to it and knock him into next month,a more humane way might be a shock collar and turn the juice way up.
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Bird, I've heard of people raising goats who use donkeys to keep coyotes away. Wasn't sure if it was for real, or just an old wives tale. How does this work? Do the donkeys chase the coyotes away? Or is it that coyotes find donkeys so repulsive they won't go near one?/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
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<font color=blue>Does anyone know if foxes attack small dogs?
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Never heard of that. Both red fox and gray fox are pretty small critters. I would guess the gray fox that we have around here is no bigger than a small terrier.
BTW - Useless fact #247: Western gray fox is the only canine known that can climb trees. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
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Never heard of that. Both red fox and gray fox are pretty small critters. I would guess the gray fox that we have around here is no bigger than a small terrier.
BTW - Useless fact #247: Western gray fox is the only canine known that can climb trees. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
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Ernie, lots of folks in this area have donkeys in with their cattle, but I've seen only a few with the goats. However, I had heard they were popular guard animals for goats and sheep, too. Of course, I learned the hard way to not put a Jack in with the goats, even a gelding. I've not seen a donkey "chasing" a dog or coyote; i.e., on the run, but I've noticed that every time a dog gets anywhere near, the donkeys just start walking toward the dog and it seems the dogs just instinctively realize they ought to go elsewhere./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
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Thanks to all who have responded. We will keep our dogs in at night, allow them to run on occasion during the day when we are out with them, try to keep them from chasing deer (though a 2 x 4 will never meet our dogs), put their collars back on, try to be good neighbors, and enjoy our little piece of the country. Looking forward asking a few (maybe silly) questions about rural life and sharing experiences.
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Ernie, I have a friend who has two donkeys and I have seen them in a headlong charge after dogs. Once you see it, you will really be convinced they are the best livestock guard animal around. They become super-territorial. Some folks say it is better to have one than two. I guess one donkey thinks it doesn't have to share with anybody.
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Are coyotes a threat to a lone horse in a pasture?
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Brian,
If it is in good health and not old or crippled then no. Even a pack of coyotes won't go after a healthy horse. They will knock the tar out of them, the horse that is. The only predator that will go after a horse is a mountain lion. That is unless it is crippled or old. A horse can hold it's own pretty good. The only way that a mountain lion gets a horse is they jump on them from atop trees or rocks. That is why horses buck in the first place. It's a prey response to cats being on their back. Only defense is to buck them off.
If it is in good health and not old or crippled then no. Even a pack of coyotes won't go after a healthy horse. They will knock the tar out of them, the horse that is. The only predator that will go after a horse is a mountain lion. That is unless it is crippled or old. A horse can hold it's own pretty good. The only way that a mountain lion gets a horse is they jump on them from atop trees or rocks. That is why horses buck in the first place. It's a prey response to cats being on their back. Only defense is to buck them off.
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Very imformative thread!
While we have some coyotes around, it is nowhere near the levels some have reported here. On some nights, I have heard them and our dogs sometimes join in, and neighbors have seen them on some rare occasions. Our family is yet to spot one though. We also have a very healthy rabbit population in our headgerow, and the neighbors cat is often seen prowling around behind our yard, hunting field mice.
Some of my preconceptions that have been thrown out with this thread:
- Assumed that they were very timid of man and medium and larger dogs (60+ lbs), and kept far as possible away.
- Assumed they were not organized enough to catch/bring down any healthy hoved, non-calf animals (deer, cows, goats, donkeys, etc)
While we have generaly brought in our dogs every night (on run wires), it will be more religously done now. We will discuss how to handle an encounter in the field with the whole family. My wife an kids might tend to panic, and not do the right thing.
Thanks again for all the input.
While we have some coyotes around, it is nowhere near the levels some have reported here. On some nights, I have heard them and our dogs sometimes join in, and neighbors have seen them on some rare occasions. Our family is yet to spot one though. We also have a very healthy rabbit population in our headgerow, and the neighbors cat is often seen prowling around behind our yard, hunting field mice.
Some of my preconceptions that have been thrown out with this thread:
- Assumed that they were very timid of man and medium and larger dogs (60+ lbs), and kept far as possible away.
- Assumed they were not organized enough to catch/bring down any healthy hoved, non-calf animals (deer, cows, goats, donkeys, etc)
While we have generaly brought in our dogs every night (on run wires), it will be more religously done now. We will discuss how to handle an encounter in the field with the whole family. My wife an kids might tend to panic, and not do the right thing.
Thanks again for all the input.
BrianC
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Thank you for the information regarding horses and coyotes ...we are new to horse owning and this question keeps coming to mind. We are starting to see more of these animals and they do not seem to be afraid of us when confronted.
Rabies is starting to creep into our area. Would a rabid coyote attack a horse and/or be a threat? I know rabid animals are unpredictable and would attack anything, but I have never heard of a rabid coyote (at least around here, eastern Maine) only small skunks and racoons, etc.
Sorry if this is too far o.t. but it seems there is a wealth of information here....thanks again
brian
Rabies is starting to creep into our area. Would a rabid coyote attack a horse and/or be a threat? I know rabid animals are unpredictable and would attack anything, but I have never heard of a rabid coyote (at least around here, eastern Maine) only small skunks and racoons, etc.
Sorry if this is too far o.t. but it seems there is a wealth of information here....thanks again
brian
