Creating a Lake

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Brandi,

Glad you enjoyed the read. It was never planned to be such a long thread, but I guess ponds are one of those topics that allot of people are interested in. Be sure to keep us posted on yours when you start it. One thing that is consistant from everyone I've ever talked to, make it as big as you can. You will never regret it being too big, but you will always regret it being too small.

Bird,

Thanks.

Rob,

Thank you. No plans for a boat bigger then the little paddle boat that I already have. We spend more time just walking around it then going on it with the boat. The boat is a ten foot, plastic thing that I row the kids around in. I have a small outboard for it, but as of right now, it's not working.

Then "natural" look is what I was after from the very beginning. When I was building the dam and piling the dirt up, my first goal was to make it strong enough to hold the water. My second goal was to make it look natural and like it fit in with the area. To do that, I had to put allot more dirt on the dam then I had planned on. As a result, I dug out more of the bottom then I had planned in order to have enough dirt to build up the dam. Depth was not a priority, it's just a result of the need for material to make the dam look natural.

Jim,

Thanks. I now look at all ponds and even large lakes differently after building this one. I'm the same way with houses. I don't just see the house, but imagin what the framing looks like, how they trusses were built and even think about the utilities and how they were run. I've found that when I see a pond or lake, I do the same thing. I'm imagining what it took to build the dam and where those people are today.

Posting my pics and sharing the construction of it with everyone here has added to the fun of building it in a way that's hard to describe. Getting everyones input has made me rethink my ideas and even change what I'd planned on doing. While it was my idea, plan and labor, it was a group effort to build that wouldn't be what it is today with out the advice and help I received from all of you.

Curly,

Yes sir, I'm very proud of Lake Marabou. It's hard to believe that I did this and that it's for real. Now that it's greening up and has begun to look like it's always been there, it's harder and harder to believe what it was before I started and that I actually did this. Maybe pride isn't the right word. Awe and disbelief are more acurate.

AllWaysBreakinSomething,

If I had to do it all over again, and knowing what it took to make it, I'm not sure that I would have done it. I underestimated what it would take by a huge margin. Financially was only a small part of it, but physically and emotionally, it was a massive thing to do on my own. My Dad helped quite a bit when he was here, but that was only for a few months at a time and then I'd be on my own again.

Renze,

I have a list of projects that I will do to finish off Lake Marabou.

First on the list is to fix the culverts. The small one has a good bulkhead of readi mix sacks that are working perfectly, but the discharge side is a disaster. I tried using old chunks of concrete to create a way to get the water to the lake without causing a bunch of erosion. This kind of works, but it's ugly.

My bigger culvert needs the cement readi mix sacks to protect it from water wearing down the sides of the culvert. It also has issues with water traveling from it to the lake.

In both culverts, I figured to put concrete down as rip rap to stop erosion. This didn't work with the amount of concrete I put down and the level of rains we had this year. In both cases, I had a mental block to use the concrete and couldn't get past that block. Then the other day, it hit me to just add to the culverts with another culvert. It's a simple, smart solution that just took me a year to figure out.

There is a crossing that I have to get around the lake that water drains into the lake along my property line. During a heavy rain, this water flows through a ditch. I need to put a culvert there and build it up so it looks attractive to allow year round access across this spot.

The overflow for the lake is a swamp that is impossible to get across when it's overflowing. I will build a bridge across this to allow me to drive my lawn mower/tractor/golf cart across this area without getting stuck. And yes, I've been stuck there twice this year. I also want it to be so nicely done that people will take pictures of it. I can build an simple bridge fairly easily, but I really want it to be something that on it's own, will be an attraction.

It's something that I've very excited about and can't wait to get started on. Unfortunately, I need the water level to be down about two feet or more in order to build this. I can lower the water level real easy with my drain, but I have too many other things going on right now to start this project. My thoughts are that I will do this in the spring before the rains hit.

I built the peninsula in the lake instead of a dock for liablity and maintenance issues. If somebody falls off of a deck, they can sue me. If they fall off of the peninsula, they just get wet. The peninsula itself is an attraction that will draw people to it, but to add to it, I have a plan drawn up for a large gazebo. I have some experience building things, but also have some ideas to that I've never done before, nor seen done before. Before I go crazy on the lake gazebo, I'm starting work on a smaller version next to my front pasture. I've already started the dirt work on this and will be starting a thread on in in the next week or so. When I finish that, I'll have a better idea of how I want to do the lake gazebo.

There is an area along the back side of the dam that I'm using to dispose of topsoil and dirt that's full of branches. This dirt isn't any good for road or pad building, so I'm dumping it behind the dam. When done, I will have a large, flat grassy picnic area that' surrounded by trees and right next to the water. This is a very long term, drawn out process that I expect to last several years at least. When done, I'll add picnic tables with cement pads to it.

The walkway around the dam has some ruts in it. I'm letting the grass grow in and fill in all the dirt right now. Then I will start building up the top of the dam with more dirt to creat a smooth hiking trail. This is very low on my list, but something that I feel must be done.

Eventually, I'll need a fish cleaning station. I've drawn up some plans for this, but haven't figured out where to put it. The thought of smelly fish guts concentrated in one location is an issue that I haven't figured out yet. I want people to have a place to clean fish that won't create a mess all over the place. I also want to put the fish guts and waste back into the water as a protein source for the fish in there.

Pat,

Thanks again for the info on the Secchi Disk. It should be fun project for me and the kids. I'll have them paint it, so who knows what it will look like. hahaha Also thanks for the advice on rotating the disk. I haven't heard that before, and wouldn't have thought of it on my own.

Keep us posted on you feeder. We've been feeding our catfish in our small pond by hand every evening. It's really allot of fun and something that Jinman showed us when we were at his place. Our kids have to take turns on feeding, as they both want to do it. hahaha

I'm not sure if we want to feed the fish in the lake or not. I know they will grow bigger, faster with feeding, but it's also something we'd prefer not to become dependent on. We've been told the fish tatse "grainy" from feeding, but don't know this for a fact. We've never ate any of our fish that we feed. We just catch them and then let them go in the lake.

Eddie
 
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EddieWalker said:
Pat,

Thanks again for the info on the Secchi Disk. Also thanks for the advice on rotating the disk. I haven't heard that before, and wouldn't have thought of it on my own.

Keep us posted on you feeder. We've been feeding our catfish in our small pond by hand every evening. It's really allot of fun and something that Jinman showed us when we were at his place. Our kids have to take turns on feeding, as they both want to do it. hahaha

I'm not sure if we want to feed the fish in the lake or not. I know they will grow bigger, faster with feeding, but it's also something we'd prefer not to become dependent on. We've been told the fish tatse "grainy" from feeding, but don't know this for a fact. We've never ate any of our fish that we feed. We just catch them and then let them go in the lake.

Eddie

I have been more consistent the last few months tossing feed to the catfish. Before I did it when I got around to it if I did. If you walk up to the edge of the pond and toss out a handful of floating catfish food they start hitting it usually in way under 2 sec! and sometimes in about a half second. They have to sense our footsteps or something as surely they don't spend the whole day every day poised to be fed, especially as I feed from different locations.

Never heard the "GRAINY" comment before. Channel cat are considered a game fish and as such it is not legal for restaurants to sell "natural" fish but have to use farmed fish which have been fed artificially all their lives. I know people who say ranch raised catfish are bland compared to some "free ranging" catfish but that is a flavor or lack thereof issue not a texture thing. I'm not a fish connoisseur and I tend to favor fish that don't taste fishy. Restaurant catfish suit me fine and I look forward to mine being similar to what I have been served.

My SIL and BIL will be visiting in October and I plan to let him catch our supper from the catfish pond. It will be the first fish we will have taken from it. I imagine it will be more like harvesting rather than fishing. I expect a hook at the surface with floating bait will get immediate attention.

A fun thing I do that you and the kids might enjoy... Catch some grasshoppers and toss them into the water. If you throw them hard enough the big ones that fly good will not be able to pull out of the "dive" and will still end up in the water. So far none of the ones I tossed into any of the ponds have been able to swim to the shore to get out before attracting the interest of some fish. The little fish can't take the big hoppers but they sure try. Eventually the activity attracts a larger fish. The little fish scatter out of the way and the bigger fish takes the hopper.

Pat
 
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Eddie,
Howdy! I'm pretty new here to TBN, just joined last month, so I've had the priviledge of seeing your lake go from dream to sweat to reality in a little over a week. I had several comments that I would have enjoyed making along the way, but they would have been a bit off timing-wise now. I like what one poster said about the scale of your "projects." When you were talking about trying to encourage the bat population near the lake I was picturing you building a "bat cave" that would impress Bruce Wayne. :)

It is great to see your family enjoying your new lake. That is an inspiration to me as I have plans to submerge a portion of my farm for a similar purpose. I may start a project thread here when I get her rolling, but compared to this it will be a let down. I can't do nearly as much of it myself with only a tractor, FEL, and hopefully by then a 3ph back hoe. But I'll do what I can to at least clear the land. Thanks for lessons in everything from clearing brush to fixing a turbo to identifying a frog. This thread has it all, and >120,000 views. Does anyone know if that is a record?

Last thing: pond Vs. lake I think that's kind of like the difference between a farm and a ranch. The size does come in to play, but ultimately it's what you choose to name it! I like to call my piece of land a ranch and will call my water way a lake too!
 
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Wow! I can't believe I just read that entire almost 120 page thread. What a great job. I wish I had the ability and patience to do something like that. After reading all those pages spanning the last couple of years, it almost seems like I know you and your family. LOL. BTW, are you married, now?
 
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Pat,

I never heard of the "grainy" taste to catfish fed fishfood either, but Steph's Dad says it's real noticble to him. I don't really care for fish and only eat it when I'm either out camping in the mountains someplace and have just cought some trout, or I'm at the beach someplace along the Equator. Then it's very tastey!!!

We have a very large grasshopper population, but have never thought to toss any into the water. I'll tell the kids and see what happens. If they have a reason, they'll catch hundreds of them. hahaha


Spiveyman,

Welcome to TBN!!!

Thanks for the kind words and I'm happy that you enjoyed the thread. It's not what I planned when it began, but it's turned into an excellent record of what happened and when it happened.

Don't let your tractor limit you on how big to make your lake. My first couple ponds were dug by shovel. Then I graduated up to a backhoe and have a 3/4 acre pond next to my home that I dug in several months of working seven days a week hauling dirt out for ten hours at a time. It's not hard to do, just ming numbing boredom of doing the same thing over and over again. Then it took me half a year to get rid of the dirt pile I made digging out that pond.

I don't worry about terms, or what others call it either. I switch from pond and lake all the time. The biggest reason for calling it a lake is we have that pond, so it just makes it easier to call one a pond and the other the lake.


brianz,

Welcome to TBN!!!!

Thank you. It's always a pleasure to hear that others enjoy reading what I've written and posted. When I first joined TBN, I had very limited experience on a tractor and didn't know anything about rural living. Thanks to all the great advice I received here, I've become fairly comfortable taking on projects that I would never have thought possible.

Allot of the guys here have become friends and most of them I've never met face to face. Fortunately, I have met some face to face and I'm looking forward to see them again in a few months when we have the get together here on October 27th.

It sure would be fun to meet some more members if they can make it!!!


Defective,

Thanks for the link. You have an amazing memory!!!!

Eddie
 
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EddieWalker said:
Don't let your tractor limit you on how big to make your lake. My first couple ponds were dug by shovel. Then I graduated up to a backhoe and have a 3/4 acre pond next to my home that I dug in several months of working seven days a week hauling dirt out for ten hours at a time. It's not hard to do, just ming numbing boredom of doing the same thing over and over again. Then it took me half a year to get rid of the dirt pile I made digging out that pond.

Ha! Pond by shovel. :eek: That hurts just thinking about it. No worries on me making it too small. I pulled up my farm on Google Earth and used their measuring thing to figure out about how big the lake would be. (rough estimate anyways) Since I'd be damming up a valley it's hard to say exactly where the water will go until I get out there to survey it, but from just walking the fields there would be several fingers, maybe 10 to 12-ish acres under water. That's WAY too much for me to do all by myself, but like I said, after reading your posts I'm inspired to do as much as I can. Here's the lay of the land and another with the lake outlined and the proposed dam in red. The square there on the right is about 80 acres for scale. The existing pond in the field on the left is about 1/2 acre.
Tracts 2-4.jpg
Tracts 2-4 with Lake.jpg
I'm sure I'll have many many questions when I get into that project and I have some equipment yet to buy, so unfortunately it will be a little while. I'll probably just start by taking out some of those trees - maybe even have them harvested as there's mature wild cherry and white oak all through there. It would be great if I could get someone to pay ME to do some of the logging work for me! :)
 
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WOW :D

Having just read through this entire thread from beginning to end I realise what a massive project this was and how well you have pulled it of Eddie :D

You have incredible patience and skill and you have got an amazing lake in return for all you hard work.

We also hope to put in a lake sometime down near the woods by the river, but it is a while off.

Spiveyman: If you do start that lake, I would be very interested in hearing about it. It would be one massive lake when finished :D
 
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Grrrr said:
Spiveyman: If you do start that lake, I would be very interested in hearing about it. It would be one massive lake when finished :D

Well, I've heard the best way to make God laugh is to tell Him your plans, but since I think laughter is a good thing... This isn't a passing thought, I've been "planning" this thing out for a couple months now. I've contacted the NRCS to check out the soil and layout. They said that I shouldn't have any trouble getting the lake to hold water given my soil (lots o' clay). We were out in the middle of a field and all around you could see crawdad holes! They have a pond expert, been doing it for several decades, that is willing to come out and help me with the engineering. They won't assist in the build anymore, all they will do is put in watering tanks, but at least they still offer their expertise.

The only real obstacles I have now are money (for the back hoe, and eventually for someone to run a dozer out here) and time (working 2 jobs in addition to running the farm, wife, 3 year old, 6 month old, and planning to build a house on the farm. Oh yeah, and spending a couple hours on TBN every day!!!) This will include many nights and weekends taking out trees and getting things ready for the dozer, but what a fund project it will be.
 
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Spiveyman said:
I've contacted the NRCS to check out the soil and layout. They have a pond expert, been doing it for several decades, that is willing to come out and help me with the engineering. They won't assist in the build anymore, all they will do is put in watering tanks, but at least they still offer their expertise.


I have a contract with NRCS and the local NRCS pond expert came out and designed another two ponds for me. He and I have staked the one dam site and the dozer is pared at my place waiting for the operator. The pond will be built on a cost share basis with them paying a portion. I also have a cross fence scheduled in the cost share program as well as some gully smoothing and brush removal.

In their cost share program you do have to build to their specs which runs the cost up but makes for good results. There are certain restrictions of course and they don't just arbitrarily jump in with $ for any project without a sound basis within their charter.

Pat
 

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