pilonidal
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Seen flat railroad cars used. Don't know where to get them. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Creek Crossing for Tractor
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TOMDUALLY
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check at your local truck stop and get a truck sales paper selling used trucks and trailers sometimes you can pick-up a good 40'to 53' flatbed for around $2000 should be strong enough for your tractor and mower. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
EddieWalker
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Taylortractornut's idea made me think, why don't you just get a roll of fencing and lay it down. Cut the bank first, then to keep from sinking in, unroll the fencing.
Wouldn't this keep the tires from sinking in and it shouldn't wash away and depending on the size of the links you got, it might even hold some rock in place.
Wouldn't this keep the tires from sinking in and it shouldn't wash away and depending on the size of the links you got, it might even hold some rock in place.
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You could also get some heavy duty type of landscape fabric and lay that down first, then place rocks on top of that. This would allow the water to pass through, yet prevent the rocks from just sinking into the ground.
Thanks for the very helpful replies. After reading them, looking at some of the posted photos, and thinking it through again, I think I may reconsider my earlier statement that a bridge is out of the question. Anything I put down in the stream is likely to cause some disruption to the stream and may very well wash away during the heavy flow periods. Seeing the pictures, I also keep seeing the image of my 2wd tractor stuck smack in the middle of the stream -- possibly for days, with bad weather and rising water on the way...
Since I only need a carrying capacity of 10,000 lbs. (tractor, loader with full load, bush hog, operator), I think I can use a pair of 14"-34lb/ft I-beams at 35 feet long to span the entire creek with footings about 8 - 10 feet back from the edge (allowing for future bank washaway. A local steel supplier quoted me around $1,500 for the pair, including priming and holes punched for attaching wooden decking. Another $1,000 for railroad ties, lag screws, concrete, miscellaneous items, and free labor (me) might let me finish for around $2,500.
Will I still need permits, government approval, etc.? Any other counsel? Thanks.
Tom
Since I only need a carrying capacity of 10,000 lbs. (tractor, loader with full load, bush hog, operator), I think I can use a pair of 14"-34lb/ft I-beams at 35 feet long to span the entire creek with footings about 8 - 10 feet back from the edge (allowing for future bank washaway. A local steel supplier quoted me around $1,500 for the pair, including priming and holes punched for attaching wooden decking. Another $1,000 for railroad ties, lag screws, concrete, miscellaneous items, and free labor (me) might let me finish for around $2,500.
Will I still need permits, government approval, etc.? Any other counsel? Thanks.
Tom
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<font color="blue"> Will I still need permits, government approval, etc.? Any other counsel? Thanks.</font>
Is this area easily seen by passers by?
Myself, the older I get the more I tend to attend the "Don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to" school.
Of course, I try to apply some common sense too. I would not dam the creek, that would be asking for trouble and the neighbors would complain and so on. But what you want to do does not seem like it will have any impact on the neighbors at all.
What harm would your bridge be likely to cause? There could be other bridges crossing that same creek already, that were put there before any restrictions that may be in place now were written...
If the bridge were pretty much hidden and if it were not going to cause grief to any of my neighbors I would probably just do it, and plead ingnorance later if necessary.
I am pretty sure around here if you put a bridge over a creek, you do need a permit, and to get that permit I believe you need to have a licensed engineer (or someone like that) sign off on the plan, certifying that your bridge will pass the max water expected in a hundred years, and so on. In some cases this is reasonable...doesn't sound like it is where you are though...
Of course, the worst case risk of not following the letter of the "law" is you could be forced to dismantle the bridge...
Maybe you could get someone else to find out what the regulations are in your area. I always fear asking, as that might give a hint of what I am thinking of doing, and cause someone to come around checking later, when they would never had thought to check at all had I not asked a question to begin with.
I doubt your bridge if you build one would harm anything/anyone. It just irks me that rules that are useful in some cases, tend to be applied in all cases, when actually they may not be helping to do anything except make one's life more difficult and take money out of one's pocket.
Sorry for the rant... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ...guess it might qualify as "counsel, possibly related..." /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Is this area easily seen by passers by?
Myself, the older I get the more I tend to attend the "Don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to" school.
Of course, I try to apply some common sense too. I would not dam the creek, that would be asking for trouble and the neighbors would complain and so on. But what you want to do does not seem like it will have any impact on the neighbors at all.
What harm would your bridge be likely to cause? There could be other bridges crossing that same creek already, that were put there before any restrictions that may be in place now were written...
If the bridge were pretty much hidden and if it were not going to cause grief to any of my neighbors I would probably just do it, and plead ingnorance later if necessary.
I am pretty sure around here if you put a bridge over a creek, you do need a permit, and to get that permit I believe you need to have a licensed engineer (or someone like that) sign off on the plan, certifying that your bridge will pass the max water expected in a hundred years, and so on. In some cases this is reasonable...doesn't sound like it is where you are though...
Of course, the worst case risk of not following the letter of the "law" is you could be forced to dismantle the bridge...
Maybe you could get someone else to find out what the regulations are in your area. I always fear asking, as that might give a hint of what I am thinking of doing, and cause someone to come around checking later, when they would never had thought to check at all had I not asked a question to begin with.
I doubt your bridge if you build one would harm anything/anyone. It just irks me that rules that are useful in some cases, tend to be applied in all cases, when actually they may not be helping to do anything except make one's life more difficult and take money out of one's pocket.
Sorry for the rant... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ...guess it might qualify as "counsel, possibly related..." /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
EddieWalker
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I trust your numbers, and I've never built a bridge, but I have built plenty of other things.
If you figure it will cost $2,500. Make sure you have $5,000 available!
If you figure it will cost $2,500. Make sure you have $5,000 available!
After reading Dargo's post, I was immediatly response is what Tomdually said (look at a flatbed). I may be taking this approach as well.
Tom22 - you may want to consider this as an option.
As Henro eluded, if forced to dismantle, you just drag it out.
Tom22 - you may want to consider this as an option.
As Henro eluded, if forced to dismantle, you just drag it out.
EddieWalker
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Henro reminded me of a good story.
I have a friend in California who wanted to build a pond on his land. He worked for the city and knew plenty of people personally in the county who were able to tell him about the nightmare he'd have to go through to build a "new" pond on his land.
A few hints and some off the record type advice let him know that he could "repair" an existing pond that might have gone dry years ago.
He brought in a dozer and "repaired" that pond by taking out all those trees that grew in the old pond over the last hundred years and pushed all that dirt that had settled from the dam into the area the pond "used" to be.
It was allot of work "rebuilding" that dam, but in the end it turned out really nice. The best part was that not one government official was invlovled.
hahahahahahahahaha
I have a friend in California who wanted to build a pond on his land. He worked for the city and knew plenty of people personally in the county who were able to tell him about the nightmare he'd have to go through to build a "new" pond on his land.
A few hints and some off the record type advice let him know that he could "repair" an existing pond that might have gone dry years ago.
He brought in a dozer and "repaired" that pond by taking out all those trees that grew in the old pond over the last hundred years and pushed all that dirt that had settled from the dam into the area the pond "used" to be.
It was allot of work "rebuilding" that dam, but in the end it turned out really nice. The best part was that not one government official was invlovled.
hahahahahahahahaha
Tom22
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Re. permits, government approval... and what Henro stated, if you take the "don't ask, don't tell" approach, you may want to consider broaching the subject with neighbors. All it takes is one to call the state and then you could have problems.
Around me, several "projects" similar to what you're doing have been done but all the locals all gave a verbal OK to it.
You're profile is empty. Where are you located?
Re. permits, government approval... and what Henro stated, if you take the "don't ask, don't tell" approach, you may want to consider broaching the subject with neighbors. All it takes is one to call the state and then you could have problems.
Around me, several "projects" similar to what you're doing have been done but all the locals all gave a verbal OK to it.
