oldpilgrim
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Get an hst with a 'cruise control'. Set the control when you're in the field or on the road and don't anywhere else. Problem solved.
Creeping forward with a shuttle shift
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This is my experience so far!
I get just as close no matter which machine I am on and am actually faster with the gear/shuttle overall.
GManBart
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Oh Lord, the guy asks a simple question and it turns into the typical gear/shuttle versus HST argument....again.
There is no simple answer to the OP's question, because it's not about a specific make/model of tractor, and it does make a difference.
Not all shuttle transmissions are configured the same, even among the same basic style (manual versus power, etc).
For example, the power shuttle on my backhoe doesn't even have a clutch pedal (although it does have buttons on the FEL control and shift lever)...you can ride the brakes and creep right up on something at idle without it stalling. Not many farm tractors have quite that complex a tranny, but some do.
The short version is try before you buy.
There is no simple answer to the OP's question, because it's not about a specific make/model of tractor, and it does make a difference.
Not all shuttle transmissions are configured the same, even among the same basic style (manual versus power, etc).
For example, the power shuttle on my backhoe doesn't even have a clutch pedal (although it does have buttons on the FEL control and shift lever)...you can ride the brakes and creep right up on something at idle without it stalling. Not many farm tractors have quite that complex a tranny, but some do.
The short version is try before you buy.
GManBart
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Nobody said anything at all like that. The only HST reference was that the OP said he's used one....nothing more. Why bring up an instant argument for no purpose at all?
holeycow
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The purpose it to try to tell the truth.
I assume the question only came up because of the prevailing misinformation regarding HST being "more accurate" or "more precise" than something with a clutch and brake. Different, yes. More precise, I don't think so. How could that be when many of us can place our machines over and over again and quickly exactly where we want it to be with any kind of transmission.
I recall someone asking a question about loading a pallet on a pickup with a geared tractor; seriously wondering if that was even possible with a standard shift without wrecking the truck or something. Holy smokes guys! Lets lay off the "more precise" thing, as that is simply bad information.
Anybody who can drive a clutch can drive a clutch in anything. Anyone who has a left leg that works can learn to drive a clutch tractor. A little bit of proper instruction helps.
I assume the question only came up because of the prevailing misinformation regarding HST being "more accurate" or "more precise" than something with a clutch and brake. Different, yes. More precise, I don't think so. How could that be when many of us can place our machines over and over again and quickly exactly where we want it to be with any kind of transmission.
I recall someone asking a question about loading a pallet on a pickup with a geared tractor; seriously wondering if that was even possible with a standard shift without wrecking the truck or something. Holy smokes guys! Lets lay off the "more precise" thing, as that is simply bad information.
Anybody who can drive a clutch can drive a clutch in anything. Anyone who has a left leg that works can learn to drive a clutch tractor. A little bit of proper instruction helps.
k0ua
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Yeah, right...watch my video, and tell me it is "rubbish". There is NO transmission as precise as a hydro. NONE. NADA. NYET.
there are a lot of pro's and con's to the various types of transmissions, and hydro's have cons's just like all the others. But the being able to precisely place the tractor when near obstacles is not one of them.
dickfoster
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Yeah well not all of us are citified, sissy HST owners who can't drive.:laughing: Let the flames begin. :fiery: I have no problem inching my gear/shuttle tractor to hook up the backhoe and other stuff, fractions of an inch at a time, at creepy crawly speeds.
holeycow
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Yup. Or even like I said; while rolling along at a decent clip and dropping and rolling the loader bucket/bale forks/grapple bucket and turning and stopping exactly where I want to. And then backing out of there in a similar, reversed fashion. Over and over again. I've been bringing round bales into the yard with the Kioti lately, so it is kind-of fresh in my mind. It's just called driving. I wouldn't even consider myself a really good equipment operator. Not like some I know who run iron as a profession outside farming. Or even some of the other farmers I know.
I would love the "more accurate" lie to be laid to rest. Then we could at some point discuss the true merits of HST.
The video was watched a long time ago...it proves nothing whatsoever. Other than an HST may possibly be able to go as slow as a clutch set-up. I suppose the HST could go very slow for extended periods. You could only do that with creeper gears in a standard transmission. I have two creeper-gear tractors. So I can go pretty darn slow if need be. I basically almost never use those gears.
I would love the "more accurate" lie to be laid to rest. Then we could at some point discuss the true merits of HST.
The video was watched a long time ago...it proves nothing whatsoever. Other than an HST may possibly be able to go as slow as a clutch set-up. I suppose the HST could go very slow for extended periods. You could only do that with creeper gears in a standard transmission. I have two creeper-gear tractors. So I can go pretty darn slow if need be. I basically almost never use those gears.
holeycow
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Oh, and btw. A very experienced equipment operator told me that he loves the newer dozers because they are so easy to drive. And are less tiresome in a long day of dirtwork. This is thousands upon thousands upon thousands of heavy equipment operating talking.
I am only working with thousands of hours experience myself. Mostly farm tractors with a little dozer and big truck thrown in there.
One or maybe two benefits of infinately variable transmissions are apparent. I think there are more...
I get that.
I am only working with thousands of hours experience myself. Mostly farm tractors with a little dozer and big truck thrown in there.
One or maybe two benefits of infinately variable transmissions are apparent. I think there are more...
I get that.
