I just read most of the thread again. I didn't derail it. The slow video guy did, as far as I'm concerned. I just made a snide comment due to the prevailing attitude on this board regarding the supposed superior positioning ability of hst transmission tractors over all other types. That idea is simply false as noted by several members in this thread. Why do you think the OP even asked the question if he didn't read it or hear it somewhere? He got a correct answer immediately from the second poster. Then the faulty/poor Kubota wet clutch thing came up and off we went...
I probably shouldn't have made that comment, but at least I didn't feel compelled this time to say what DickFoster said. Which is exactly what I said the last time I tried in vain to bury the misinformation.
There's another thread going about a little gear Kubota that was traded for an HST for a good reason to need the HST. That makes sense.
But it doesn't make sense to avoid a clutch because the machine can't be put where you want to put it. That idea is simply wrong.
More accurate; Right. Only if you can't drive a clutch, which isn't very hard.
Ok. I am done till next time someone asks that question which only comes up due to misinformation propogated mainly on this board, as far as I can tell.
Go to a farmer's board and the truth surfaces right away. Just like it did here in the second post. Perhaps the following crappy Kubota clutch reply should have been qualified more. Then I would have stayed out of it.
Glad i now know that about those Kubota models. Hopefully that issue is solved in the newer ones.
Anyway, I gotta get back to moving bales. I hope i don't crash into something with my standard transmission inaccuracies.
What are you talking about? You're
still derailing the thread. The question was simply whether you can creep up on something with a shuttle shift. The first person to make the comparison to HST was you, for no reason, with the comment even you have said was snide.
This is a compact tractor forum. Yes, you will hear different opinions than you'll find on a big Ag forum. Big Ag tractors almost never have to be super precise where an inch or two means some kind of dent in something you don't want dented. Hooking up to implements isn't a precision event....if you bump them, they don't break.
If you were to go to a heavy equipment forum, you'd find different opinions there as well. In fact, there they talk even more derisively of anything but HST systems. Nobody in construction wants anything but HST type systems now...faster, more productive, easier to be precise, etc, but that isn't what this forum is about.
Lastly, you talk like operating a shuttle like there's no chance a skilled operator can make a mistake....not true. I was using my backhoe, which has a power shuttle with no clutch pedal, to load something recently, and my foot slipped on the brake pedal. I guess I had a little mud on my boots, and the soles are a bit worn, and I put a dent in the trim of my barn door. That would have never happened with an HST system...go figure. If you make a mistake with an HST system, the machine stops moving. If you make a mistake with a shuttle, stuff gets broken, you stall the engine, or you just look stupid....it happens to everyone sooner or later.
