Creeping forward with a shuttle shift

willysmb · Sep 29, 2016

I am buying a tractor soon. I have driven HST's before but don't have much first hand experience with a shuttle shift or power shuttle. Long term I plan to do quite a bit of field work and things where I would prefer to have a shuttle shift. I also plan to snowplow my driveway and other around the house tasks from time to time.

My question is how hard is it to creep forward with a shuttle shift. Lets say I am a foot from my garage door and I want to creep forward that foot to put the FEL down and pull snow back. I have driven plenty of manual transmission vehicles. Would creeping forward that foot be similar to driving a manual transmission vehicle where you just let off the clutch a bit or does a tractor drive differently to where it would be hard to do that.

Thanks

dickfoster · Sep 29, 2016

willysmb said:
I am buying a tractor soon. I have driven HST's before but don't have much first hand experience with a shuttle shift or power shuttle. Long term I plan to do quite a bit of field work and things where I would prefer to have a shuttle shift. I also plan to snowplow my driveway and other around the house tasks from time to time.

My question is how hard is it to creep forward with a shuttle shift. Lets say I am a foot from my garage door and I want to creep forward that foot to put the FEL down and pull snow back. I have driven plenty of manual transmission vehicles. Would creeping forward that foot be similar to driving a manual transmission vehicle where you just let off the clutch a bit or does a tractor drive differently to where it would be hard to do that.

Thanks

Petty much the same. To inch forward or backward for hooking up a backhoe, FEL etc. have one foot on the clutch and the other on the brake. Lowest gear of course.

TripleR · Sep 29, 2016

With my M8540 hydraulic shuttle shift, I won't even try something like that; can be done riding the brakes, but not worth trying for me.

holeycow · Sep 29, 2016

With my tractors of various standard configurations, i could come flying in in any number of gears and then inch up to anything. As long as the brakes work, that is. Just like a car.

holeycow · Sep 29, 2016

This rubbish of HST being "more precise" is just that; rubbish.

Ford850 · Sep 29, 2016

That's why it's called an "inching pedal". It works great for me.

TripleR · Sep 29, 2016

holeycow said:
This rubbish of HST being "more precise" is just that; rubbish.

Not on our tractors it isn't; we have regular HST, old style crash boxes, synchronized shuttle, non-synchronized shuttle and hydraulic shuttle. Our geared, synch and non synch shuttles can be very precise but not our hydraulic shuttle.

holeycow · Sep 29, 2016

Bummer. Kind of a poor excuse for a chore tractor that hydraulic shuttle. You can't operate it like a regular clutch tractor when necessary?

MrFoPow · Sep 29, 2016

1st gear low range is sllllloooooowwww with my gearing.

Gordon Gould · Sep 30, 2016

MrFoPow said:
1st gear low range is sllllloooooowwww with my gearing.

Same with mine. I creep up on stuff all the time. Just part of operating a tractor. But mine is a manual shuttle. Don't see why a hydraulic shuttle would be different but don't know.

gg

holeycow · Sep 30, 2016

The hydraulic shuttles I have driven could all be operated like a regular clutch tractor. In fact, i am so used to clutching that I did not drive any of them without using the clutch most of the time. I only tinkered with the power reversers...

Zebrafive · Sep 30, 2016

holeycow said:
Bummer. Kind of a poor excuse for a chore tractor that hydraulic shuttle. You can't operate it like a regular clutch tractor when necessary?

If by "hydraulic shuttle" you mean a "power reverser" they have a clutch pedal and can be used with the clutch to inch in either direction.

TripleR · Sep 30, 2016

Worth watching: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/309544-how-slow-can-you-go.html?highlight=

holeycow · Sep 30, 2016

Every tractor I have owned can back up to PERFECTLY align a hitch pin, so Idk.

Both of my creeper gear tractors go pretty slow...as slow as that video, and as slow as you want with the clutch. I find no use for creeper gears in my operation.

holeycow · Sep 30, 2016

Zebrafive said:
If by "hydraulic shuttle" you mean a "power reverser" they have a clutch pedal and can be used with the clutch to inch in either direction.

That's kinda what I thought. Excepting possibly Kubotas, apparently.

Zebrafive · Oct 1, 2016

holeycow said:
That's kinda what I thought. Excepting possibly Kubotas, apparently.

My experience is with JD's Power Reverser on my 6415

holeycow · Oct 1, 2016

My power reverser experience is with an m9000 kubota, a 7something and a 6something Deere.

They could all "inch" or even "millimeter" with the clutch.

So far I haven't driven a tractor that couldn't be precise.

So I don't know what all the hoopla is about with the "precision" of HST. Rubbish.

TripleR · Oct 1, 2016

Mine is a Kubota M8540 and I've spoken with several M95/8540 owners and all the hydraulic clutches on them are the same, very hard to feather under higher RPMs. All of our other tractors have regular clutches ad they are much different. Since there seems to be difference between brands and gear ratios, I'd definitely drive before buying. Since we have several tractor my clutch doesn't bother me, I just use a different one. Our tractor is used regularly by four dofferent operators and we all have the same observations.

holeycow · Oct 1, 2016

Huh?

The m9000 I drove that was brand new at the time had no trouble transporting round bales; "inching" at times.

I generally inch at low rpms...it helps to have a torquey motor. Higher rpms are harder on clutches.

I don't think Kubotas are known for torque??