Critter Proof Foundation Vent Screens?

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This is a very active year for critters that like to set up housekeeping in home crawl spaces.

I surveyed the perimeter and found 5 of 12 builders grade vent screens with the 1/4” mesh ripped out.

The nominal size is 6x14 with finished in stucco opening of 5.5x13.5 opening.

I’ve seen a possum, raccoon and mice/rats this year… in nearly 60 years this would be a first and neighbors reporting similar.

Short of making something up with expanded metal what do you use to critter proof crawl space?
 
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This is a very active year for critters that like to set up housekeeping in home crawl spaces.

I surveyed the perimeter and found 5 of 12 builders grade vent screens with the 1/4” mesh ripped out.

The nominal size is 6x14 with finished in stucco opening of 5.5x13.5 opening.

I’ve seen a possum, raccoon and mice/rats this year… in nearly 60 years this would be a first and neighbors reporting similar.

Short of making something up with expanded metal what do you use to critter proof crawl space?
Stucco?

Seriously, stucco. Seal the crawlspace and line the floor with a vapor barrier. Keeps the vermin out and increases the fire resistance, and cuts the heating/cooling costs.

Failing that, any of the more modern, louver plus screen combinations, e.g. Vulcan vents. I think without a metal outer layer, rats, raccoons, and skunks can muscle their way in pretty easily. As you already know that they want to get in, it is probably overdue to up the barriers. It doesn't have to be Alcatraz, just enough to get them to go elsewhere, right?

FWIW: I added 1/16" stainless mesh on our original 1/4" mesh for fire safety by using stainless safety wire to wire the outer fine screen to the inner screening. I bulk cut a bunch of vent sized screens with a plasma cutter; it took just a few minutes to make a house worth of screen inserts.

All the best,

Peter
 
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What gauge on the stainless…?

When I say crawl space it’s about 5’ under the kitchen and living room joists…

I’ve got about a dozen Model A blocks, axles, fenders, etc plus some more modern 289 and 302 V8 motors.

A lot of that was stored when I was a teenager…

The surprise was seeing the possum and raccoon under there but opening 5x13 is big enough it seems.

Home is 2400 square feet and May PGE is 8.8 kWh average per day and .44 therms per day natural gas… single pane aluminum windows circa 1950’s…

As an individual I have never used a lot as far as utilities.
 
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Stucco?

Seriously, stucco. Seal the crawlspace and line the floor with a vapor barrier. Keeps the vermin out and increases the fire resistance, and cuts the heating/cooling costs.

Failing that, any of the more modern, louver plus screen combinations, e.g. Vulcan vents. I think without a metal outer layer, rats, raccoons, and skunks can muscle their way in pretty easily. As you already know that they want to get in, it is probably overdue to up the barriers. It doesn't have to be Alcatraz, just enough to get them to go elsewhere, right?

FWIW: I added 1/16" stainless mesh on our original 1/4" mesh for fire safety by using stainless safety wire to wire the outer fine screen to the inner screening. I bulk cut a bunch of vent sized screens with a plasma cutter; it took just a few minutes to make a house worth of screen inserts.

All the best,

Peter
We’re considering encapsulation of our crawl space, but I have some questions.

What does one do with the foundation vent holes?

If one doesn’t insulate the the foundation walls how does it save on HVAC costs?
 
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This is a very active year for critters that like to set up housekeeping in home crawl spaces.

I surveyed the perimeter and found 5 of 12 builders grade vent screens with the 1/4” mesh ripped out.

The nominal size is 6x14 with finished in stucco opening of 5.5x13.5 opening.

I’ve seen a possum, raccoon and mice/rats this year… in nearly 60 years this would be a first and neighbors reporting similar.

Short of making something up with expanded metal what do you use to critter proof crawl space?
I was going to suggest 1/4" hardware cloth, but apparently your critters are more determined than ours. It keeps them out of the greenhouse here. Maybe double or triple layer it until you get a more permanent solution?
 
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I had a client with a rat problem. They ate through the screens on her crawl space vents and then took over her crawl space. I bought this metal from Lowes


I cut it to fit tight and then added screws into the corners to wedge it tight. Then I went around the outer edge with clear roofing caulk


I saw her yesterday out walking her dogs and she said the rats haven't gotten in since I did this. So it's working so far!!!
 
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Thanks I didn’t know them made those.
You're welcome. As for energy savings, I haven't gotten too far into the details to be able to say for sure, but got the impression that most heat loss is through the ceiling. Crawl spaces aren't heated and cooled enough to affect energy use as much as living areas. I am personally not sure that floor insulation between the crawl space and the living area is really justified, much less insulating the foundation walls in a crawl space.

In Tennessee, moisture from humidity is more of an issue in crawl spaces. In the remodel I did, I was more concerned about moisture. Installed vent covers, heavy mil plastic over the crawl space, and dug a perimeter drain which dried out the crawl space in my particular situation very well. I did not insulate the floor or the foundation walls.
 
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What gauge on the stainless…?

When I say crawl space it’s about 5’ under the kitchen and living room joists…

I’ve got about a dozen Model A blocks, axles, fenders, etc plus some more modern 289 and 302 V8 motors.

A lot of that was stored when I was a teenager…

The surprise was seeing the possum and raccoon under there but opening 5x13 is big enough it seems.

Home is 2400 square feet and May PGE is 8.8 kWh average per day and .44 therms per day natural gas… single pane aluminum windows circa 1950’s…

As an individual I have never used a lot as far as utilities.
Sorry, I thought that you were going after the standard screened vents. If it were me, given the local fire risk (you might look at what Berkeley Fire Safe is doing for ideas), I would enclose it all with fire resistant material, Hardie board, stucco over fire resistant plywood, and preferably seal the space. I think fire hardening homes is here to stay in California.

@dieselscout80 The desired method to block the vents is a 2x on the inside, and a vapor permeable, water resistant layer on the outside covered by whatever your exterior material is. US construction being what it is, almost every home is not well sealed between floors, so enclosing the crawlspace stops air intrusion from the crawlspace into the home. To give some numbers for perspective, a 2,400sq.ft. well built home from the 70s might have 2,000-3,000cfm of air intrusion at 0.2" of water pressure (0.0004psi) of pressure difference, much of that from the crawlspace. A 20mph wind will generate that pressure difference.

So that's thousands of cubic feet per minute of warm, humid air that you don't have to cool, and then lose to the environment, nor have to heat in the winter.

I can tell you it makes an enormous difference to an otherwise tight house. I had previously sealed all of the pipe pass through with expanding foam, as well as all of the ductwork openings, and sealing the crawlspace gave us a six to tenfold improvement in the indoor air quality (AQI), e.g. dropping the house AQI to 4-8@2.5micron, when the outdoors was 30, and to an AQI of 12, when the outdoors was 160, and running the whole house filter dropped the 12 to 4 in half an hour.

In our case, we think that we are saving around 50% of our prior energy bill. Might be 60%. Not a small amount in my view. We did add 4" of perimeter foam insulation, and the installer that we were "eccentric" for wanting more than 2", but the marginal cost was almost zero, and it almost halves the heat loss.

For folks in rural locations, not just Western states, especially with trees, I think that getting rid of crawlspace vents by encapsulating the crawlspace, and ventilating it with condition air is a great way to harden homes against wildfire risks. It is also a great way to save on cooling and heating costs.

All the best,

Peter
 

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