Dances With Coyotes

   / Dances With Coyotes #11  
Westonium,

You scare me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif We have two sheep and coyotes in the area. I mean we can hear them and sometimes a cat in distress:( We also have a Pyr - she sleeps outside, but due to her escaping habits she has to be on a zip line over night - she is a very good girl, but Houdini and an idiot in the same time. I can sneak on her at night and hear her snorring:)
My airedale sleeps next to my bed and he is very alert to anything going on outside - few times I let him out b/c of some upheaval and followed with the flashlight.
I always thought they will avoid our land, because of our dogs, but I quess I am wrong.
 
   / Dances With Coyotes #12  
Here's a story from another board I read a while back. It was cross-posted once already, so I don't see the harm in doing so again. I was going to post it under the wolves thread because someone said a dog wasn't a match for a coyote, but I guess it all depends on the dog and the coyote and since sonofczechgun mentioned Airedale....

"Real short story. Coyotes in these parts are bold and regularly include dog as part of their high protein diet. Six months ago a pack of four took our neighbors dog.

Brisco has during the last year chased several and raises holy **** when they are near our house. For the past several days (my wife told me after all this happened,) he was trying to get into the barn which is closed Nov-April just holding lawn and garden stuff and some unused horse stalls.

Yesterday I got home from work and walked into the yard and he made a bee line to the barn. Tried to crawl under door. I figured there was a mouse or something and just opened the bottom half of one door. He ran in like a bullet.Diving into something and knocking it back against the barn door on the opposite side. For a second I thought it was a a big coon or a dog. They were rolling around kicking up dirt and I couldn't tell what the **** was going on but it looked something awful.
The Barn was dark and full of dust and dirt and then I saw something dive to get under the gate to the horse stall and even faster Brisco grabbed its back leg and dragged it back out. I could see now it was definitly a coyote he was getting bit and I was running around like I had one foot nailed to the floor. Couldn't find anything to help and truth be told I really didn't want to get too close. At one point he snatched it up high on the neck or head and started slamming and shaking and dragging that I guess that was pretty much all she wrote. Ran back to the house and came back with an equalizer but it was over.
He had a bunch of punctures the worst on his muzzle and nose . Cleaned it of with peroxide and went to the vet. I was little worried because the coyote looked like it had mange.

I hear a lot about wooling but when I took him back to the barn after the vet he just sniffed around and wasn't much interested.

Brisco is 60 lbs. He is Schutzhund trained and pretty good at it.
I estimate the coyote 35 to 40 lbs. The coyote looked bigger than he carried.
 

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   / Dances With Coyotes #15  
U should be sorry! Gees dude! Fish hook? Coyotes are not from he**. Just a scavenger canine! They will eat your cat.
 
   / Dances With Coyotes #16  
G:
How can you say "scavenger" and then say "eat your cat"? Those are contradictory. Predators eat other animals. Coyotes will eat whatever animal that they can manage.

My Great Pyrenees isn't that interested in escaping. I kept it in the backyard in the winter as a puppy with my lab/sharpei mix dog to keep it protected and teach it how to scrap.

Once the Pyr was too big to squeeze through small fence holes, I let her out in the pasture and she immediately turned into a guard dog. She walks the fences at night and the only time you can sneak up on her is during the day when she sleeps. Not to say that coyotes couldn't sneak up on her - she isn't infallible. 2 of them would be better - they'll tag team situations. Ours came from a breeder that has 60 alpacas, and the puppies are treated like working dogs from day one. Its grand sire stood off with a big bear in Denver for 20 minutes until the bear figured it just wasn't worth a fight.

True story: Neighbors of ours when we lived in Norco, CA(They lived in Karen Carpenter's old Ranch) had 2 Jack Russell Terriers - male and female. The female got sneak attacked by a coyote. The female busted loose out of the jaws and limped home while their male rushed in and fought the coyote. These were the little JRTs that are little balls of fire. 2 more coyotes came in and the male JRT fought all three in a tmbling fight that went up and over a hill. The owner had run out there with a shotgun but the distance + hitting his dog kept him from shooting. They figured their JRT was doomed. It came back 4 hours later UNSCATHED. The irony is that a year later that brave JRT died by an owl figuring it would be a good dinner. The owl grabbed it from both sides puncturing both lungs, coudln't lift it (those things are small but made of lead!) and left it as the female came out to help the male.

I talked to a neighbor yesterday and he thinks they know where a pack is building up that is causing problems. I'm going to see about getting 4 or 5 neighbors together (I doubt that any neighbor I have doesn't have at least a rifle), and clean things up.

I have 6 lambs right now and right now they are in a pasture 50' x 500' that is surrounded by area the Pyr can get to, and 3 male alpacas in there with them. I sleep soundly knowing the coyotes will have a **** of a time. Those lambs can do 20 mph UP A STEEP hill to escape, the Pyr is a tank, and the un-neutered alpacas won't welcome the thing either.

The coyotes did NOT steer clear with just my pet dogs in the backyard, but I have yet to see one on our property since the Pyr has been out there. The worst thing that has happened is 2 racoons tag-teaming the pyr to steal all her food from a self-feeder (I feed her daily now and the coons have moved on).
 
   / Dances With Coyotes #17  
Our Pyr is a rescue - we suspect she was abused, she got lot better since she came to us, but she still has the urge to go out and mark her territory in neighbours back yards - one of them is a Virginia State Trooper:)
We always say she likes us and she wants to claim more land for us:). But i never saw a dog to go through regular metal horse gate by flipping sideways.
We dont have lambs this year, but the sheep were just shorn and it makes them even more defencelles.
Oh well, so far confirmed kill are just some ducks in neighborhood - I hope for the best.
 
   / Dances With Coyotes #18  
Great story, thanks for posting. I do a lot of coyote hunting. Many guys use dogs of all breeds as culling dogs while 'yote hunting. Usually the dogs don't get to do any killing. They can get pretty beat-up if the hunter has bad aim, or is slow on the trigger. Here'e one in action, (It is not my hunt or my dog, just a photo from a web-site dedicated to 'yote hunting that I visit):

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Has far as a man approaching a coyote.....Evey one I've ever seen wants NOTHING to do with humans. Once a 'yote catches my secent he's running the other way with afterburners on! I'd suspect sickness (mange, distenper, rabies, etc) in any 'yote that does not run away from a human.
 
   / Dances With Coyotes #19  
Looks to be some type of tracking collar on the dog. Neat pic. I like seeing pics of dogs actually working for real, but that one better learn to keep his ears out of the way /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Looks like a nice *brisk* day, too.
 

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