Comparison Deere 5065E vs M7060 value & pricing

[GuidoSarducci]

Okay don't shoot but I think we are going to shoot for a smaller series.

I talked to the group and we all went up to Kubota to look at a M7060. It's a little larger than what most of the folks are comfortable or used to operating.
I know they would eventually get used to it but that's not always the best option when you have rotational volunteers.

We want to be able to run a modern square baler, MoCo, Disc, plow, seeder, and lift large rounds when necessary. Would an MX58 get the job done here?
The dealer was pretty adamant that the MX wasn't the right choice but I need a little guidance here. Should I be checking Mahindra as well?
Deere doesn't have a great option at this price point as a 4055 or 4066M is a premium model.

Thanks for all the advice.

 

[woolyAcres]

@GuidoSarducci-

If you're looking for something smaller and perhaps simpler to operate have you considered the Yanmar YT359? Not sure if it's possible to see one in person but from a size point of view it would be smaller than than the 75HP machines you previously mentioned.

A premium tractor for sure; and perhaps out of your price range. Perhaps they'd be willing to work with you on price considering the nature of your needs. I was very interested but it just didn't have the HP/weight for what I needed.

 

[searcyfarms]

holy cow what a bummer after all the research guido ..........I say you get different volunteers that can handle what you get LOL -

Questions for you........I see tasks that you have but I don't recall reading about how many acres you are working on and when you say modern square baler are you talking small or the newer larger square bales - next you mention helping out moms/raising food, how big is this garden area and is that what you are disking/plowing/seeding? what are you seeding ? could you get that accomplished with a rear mount tiller?

my biggest concern is this, if you have folks not familiar with running a larger tractor what are they going to do when they need to STOP something that is behind them or are moving a large bale that is possibly going to compromise the stability of a tractor with a driver that is apprehensive, unfamiliar, or lacks discretion.

I would much rather have something a little over engineered if you will for the user that is lacking experience. ie, a tractor they cant turn over no matter what they pick up with it - I know that's a little over the top but I think you get my drift.

I am not familiar with the weights/sizes/capabilities of these machines so someone else could provide better advice but I have always went bigger rather than smaller but I realize I am older school in my thoughts.

I have been in my share of pucker situations over the years and I consider myself cautious and am glad I had more tractor than what I was doing ;-)

 

[GuidoSarducci]

holy cow what a bummer after all the research guido ..........I say you get different volunteers that can handle what you get LOL -

Questions for you........I see tasks that you have but I don't recall reading about how many acres you are working on and when you say modern square baler are you talking small or the newer larger square bales - next you mention helping out moms/raising food, how big is this garden area and is that what you are disking/plowing/seeding? what are you seeding ? could you get that accomplished with a rear mount tiller?

my biggest concern is this, if you have folks not familiar with running a larger tractor what are they going to do when they need to STOP something that is behind them or are moving a large bale that is possibly going to compromise the stability of a tractor with a driver that is apprehensive, unfamiliar, or lacks discretion.

I would much rather have something a little over engineered if you will for the user that is lacking experience. ie, a tractor they cant turn over no matter what they pick up with it - I know that's a little over the top but I think you get my drift.

I am not familiar with the weights/sizes/capabilities of these machines so someone else could provide better advice but I have always went bigger rather than smaller but I realize I am older school in my thoughts.

I have been in my share of pucker situations over the years and I consider myself cautious and am glad I had more tractor than what I was doing ;-)

So the nonprofit produces the food and donates it to women’s shelters, school lunch programs, charities etc..

Our small group would use the tractor for production and it’s only a few folks that are moderately experienced but mostly with smaller equipment.

At this point we have about 30 acres but that can increase rapidly depending on leased land being available throughout the year. In our Kansas operation we went from 16 to 82 in just under 2 years.

It was lot of ground to hay and multiple 5 acre garden plots to handle for a compact. We started with a 3038E and eventually moved to using a 5065E.

I don’t want to be in the situation of having to rent or borrow equipment at this location because it’s a new operation and we haven’t developed any local relationships.

However if a MX58 will do the job and we don’t need a bigger series then I would rather go that route.

 

[searcyfarms]

ok so I see you have a 5065E - were you not happy with it and wanting to try something different? lease up? maybe I missed that part earlier?

the MX58 I would agree with the dealer/salesman, its sheer weight difference would concern me when haying - maybe I am wrong, got info from tractordata so grain of salt possibly 2wd info on mx showing 3734 lbs and the deere 5065E at 5500 operating weight.

presuming you are talking 4wd.

maybe an m6060 would be a better comp for the 5065E ?

I don't know much about these mid sized units but there doesn't seem to be a lot on paper different in size that would be that overwhelming from a 5065e to a M7060 - I suppose the easiest transition would be to another 5065e?

 

[GuidoSarducci]

ok so I see you have a 5065E - were you not happy with it and wanting to try something different? lease up? maybe I missed that part earlier?

the MX58 I would agree with the dealer/salesman, its sheer weight difference would concern me when haying - maybe I am wrong, got info from tractordata so grain of salt possibly 2wd info on mx showing 3734 lbs and the deere 5065E at 5500 operating weight.

presuming you are talking 4wd.

maybe an m6060 would be a better comp for the 5065E ?

I don't know much about these mid sized units but there doesn't seem to be a lot on paper different in size that would be that overwhelming from a 5065e to a M7060 - I suppose the easiest transition would be to another 5065e?

We started the organization in Kansas and that operation is using a 5065E. We expanded into Eastern TN due to acquiring an additional farm and the ability to directly contribute to the community.

That’s our current project and why we need another tractor. I started comparing the 2 units from Kubota and Deere when Deere changed the new 2018’s.

I’m not unhappy with the performance of the 5065 just always like to look at other options and get the best value for the dollar.

Buying a 5065 is completely off the radar because the pricing is DRAMATICALLY more expensive than the first one. We were quoted 15k more than we paid in 2016. I’m not sure if that’s due to the model changes or what but I’m not paying 45k for a 65hp open station utility tractor.

What I’ve noticed purchasing machinery is that the manufacturer really sets the tone for pricing. One year they could have national discounts of over 10k and the next it might be hardly anything.

I wish the big 3 would stick with figures that are set in stone but appropriate for what the models worth. Now you have a situation where used 2016’s with 200 hours are going for 26k and new ones are almost 50k.

If that’s truly the pricing than guys are losing half the value of the tractor in 2 years and 200 hours. Now obviously that isn’t the case and the vast majority of buyers are national accounts, big producers, and leases who get significant discounts (27% or more). It just sucks that the little guy usually ends up paying full freight.

 

[Bigpuddie]

We started the organization in Kansas and that operation is using a 5065E. We expanded into Eastern TN due to acquiring an additional farm and the ability to directly contribute to the community.

That’s our current project and why we need another tractor. I started comparing the 2 units from Kubota and Deere when Deere changed the new 2018’s.

I’m not unhappy with the performance of the 5065 just always like to look at other options and get the best value for the dollar.

Buying a 5065 is completely off the radar because the pricing is DRAMATICALLY more expensive than the first one. We were quoted 15k more than we paid in 2016. I’m not sure if that’s due to the model changes or what but I’m not paying 45k for a 65hp open station utility tractor.

What I’ve noticed purchasing machinery is that the manufacturer really sets the tone for pricing. One year they could have national discounts of over 10k and the next it might be hardly anything.

I wish the big 3 would stick with figures that are set in stone but appropriate for what the models worth. Now you have a situation where used 2016’s with 200 hours are going for 26k and new ones are almost 50k.

If that’s truly the pricing than guys are losing half the value of the tractor in 2 years and 200 hours. Now obviously that isn’t the case and the vast majority of buyers are national accounts, big producers, and leases who get significant discounts (27% or more). It just sucks that the little guy usually ends up paying full freight.

I've seen JD 5065e's with cab and loader around $43-44k

 

[V53]

If I had a lot of people that were going to be using it.

I'd be looking at a yanmar YT3 series. They're incredibly user friendly. Kubota of Knoxville now sells them too, so getting it serviced shouldn't be an issue.

 

[searcyfarms]

I kinda liked the looks of the yanmar when looking with a friend - you might be able to get a cab for that kind of $$$

 

[TractorNH]

Wow, 7 pages of comments and nobody mentions Mahindra? They have tractors all the way to 125 hp and their compacts don't use DPF either.

 

[searcyfarms]

here is why I never mentioned them and I sure wouldn't be mentioning Kubota but that is why the OP is considering - WHY?

Because I just did 9 months of extensive shopping and here is how the $$ played out for me when shopping for my tractor. Prices highest to lowest.

1) Kubota
2) LS
3) Mahindra was close to LS
4) New Holland
5) Case IH - very close with might as well call it a draw
6) Branson
7) Deere
8) Kioti
9) I didn't look at yanmar they didn't have what I was looking for

So..........as you can see as close as like for like Deere was by far the best price in the CUT I ended up getting however being fair NO ONE makes a higher HP tractor with a MMM in 72" so I was doing my best to compare as close as I could to the 2038R.

That is why I didn't mention Mahindra, they are proud of their stuff as well as LS maybe as you get in the larger stuff it starts to even out or swing the other way - I haven't shopped in those areas as I have two in the mid HP range that I REALLY ENJOY!!!

No they are not modern cabbed tractors but they are sweet to me!!!

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Tractor and implement sales aren't exactly rocking right now with commodities where they are. I can't imagine these dealers are passing up any potential buyers.

industry is up about 15% actually.

also will add, lots of guys talking a lot about emissions. I sell tractors with DPF and DOC based engines. Emissions is a terrible thing to use as a comparison feature in tractors. One is not any more trouble free than the other.

 

[rngrrymd]

We started the organization in Kansas and that operation is using a 5065E. We expanded into Eastern TN due to acquiring an additional farm and the ability to directly contribute to the community.

Thatç—´ our current project and why we need another tractor. I started comparing the 2 units from Kubota and Deere when Deere changed the new 2018ç—´.

I知 not unhappy with the performance of the 5065 just always like to look at other options and get the best value for the dollar.

Buying a 5065 is completely off the radar because the pricing is DRAMATICALLY more expensive than the first one. We were quoted 15k more than we paid in 2016. I知 not sure if that痴 due to the model changes or what but I知 not paying 45k for a 65hp open station utility tractor.

What I致e noticed purchasing machinery is that the manufacturer really sets the tone for pricing. One year they could have national discounts of over 10k and the next it might be hardly anything.

I wish the big 3 would stick with figures that are set in stone but appropriate for what the models worth. Now you have a situation where used 2016ç—´ with 200 hours are going for 26k and new ones are almost 50k.

If that痴 truly the pricing than guys are losing half the value of the tractor in 2 years and 200 hours. Now obviously that isn稚 the case and the vast majority of buyers are national accounts, big producers, and leases who get significant discounts (27% or more). It just sucks that the little guy usually ends up paying full freight.

I have no idea where you are getting that $45k number from. Here is a link for Hutson, Inc - they have a location in Clarksville, TN and they're selling the 5065E w/loader for $28,600.
Utility Tractor Special | Hutson Inc <-- 5065E for $28,600 or $30,900 for Power Reverser model.

Well under your $33k budget and the same tractor at both locations so you can stock 1 set of parts/filters/etc for both tractors since they would match.

 

[inode]

I’m not buying that price on the 5065e. My father in law just purchased a 4052 and it was $32k with loader. It was a no frills tractor with no options, not even a set of remote hydraulics.

 

[rngrrymd]

I’m not buying that price on the 5065e. My father in law just purchased a 4052 and it was $32k with loader. It was a no frills tractor with no options, not even a set of remote hydraulics.

4052 comes as 4052M or 4052R model only. Any "M" or "R" model will cost more than a "E" model from John Deere. There is a link in the post above to Hutson's website which states the price on their website. If you can't believe that then I can look up the info for the Tennessee Attorney General so you can file a complaint with them that you think Hutson's is falsely advertising. Or you can call yourself tomorrow when they are open.

 

[searcyfarms]

the low 30s number is spot on, I just did the build your own and with a loader - deducting 20ish percent brings it into the low 30s area which would make sense on the sales/out the door price - I saw 5055 and 5065 at a local dealer and they must have gotten a bunch in off lease they were manual trans though and they all had from 150 to 400 hours on them, looked as new and only one had a loader they were selling them for 14000 to 16400 depending on hours - they were 2wd however they had one and I don't recall if it was a 45 or 55 that was 4wd and it had a loader and it has 21 sumpthing on it - they were all gone within a couple weeks

 

[GuidoSarducci]

I have no idea where you are getting that $45k number from. Here is a link for Hutson, Inc - they have a location in Clarksville, TN and they're selling the 5065E w/loader for $28,600.
Utility Tractor Special | Hutson Inc <-- 5065E for $28,600 or $30,900 for Power Reverser model.

Well under your $33k budget and the same tractor at both locations so you can stock 1 set of parts/filters/etc for both tractors since they would match.

It’s what the local dealer quoted me.

 

[GuidoSarducci]

the low 30s number is spot on, I just did the build your own and with a loader - deducting 20ish percent brings it into the low 30s area which would make sense on the sales/out the door price - I saw 5055 and 5065 at a local dealer and they must have gotten a bunch in off lease they were manual trans though and they all had from 150 to 400 hours on them, looked as new and only one had a loader they were selling them for 14000 to 16400 depending on hours - they were 2wd however they had one and I don't recall if it was a 45 or 55 that was 4wd and it had a loader and it has 21 sumpthing on it - they were all gone within a couple weeks

I’m calling Hutsons tomorrow and taking that deal if Kubota doesn’t beat it. I was quoted 46k out the door. Honest to God. I asked if that’s the best they could do and got a firm yes.

Thanks for the find gentlemen, you made my week!

 

[rngrrymd]

I’m calling Hutsons tomorrow and taking that deal if Kubota doesn’t beat it. I was quoted 46k out the door. Honest to God. I asked if that’s the best they could do and got a firm yes.

Thanks for the find gentlemen, you made my week!

That's what we are here for. Get all the particulars/specs in writing to you (e-mail quote) to cover yourself and the mission. I hope you do well tomorrow either way!

 

[rngrrymd]

Not sure what model you have in the Kansas operation - Hutson's is listing both a 9/3 transmission model with a 520M loader and the next price up is the 12/12 Power Reverser transmission with the larger 540M loader - might be more convenient to match up the model in Kansas - easier for you to train new volunteers. Just a thought.