Delphi's Bankruptcy

AndyM · Oct 30, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

 As for hours, yeah last month I had 40..........hours overtime 

Oh boo hoo.
Some of the hourly folks have to take a pay cut to keep your jobs competitive with other world competitors. Take your pay cut, and keep reminding yourself that it's better than totally losing your job and making nothing at all. It's not like you'll find another comparable job somewhere else. They're just not out there anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I sit in my cubicle and pound my keys each day dreaming of the day when I'll make more than the hourly guys in the factory! Without us, you wouldn't have the raw materials delivered to the factories to do your jobs and get paid. We go through the same cuts as everyone else. Our jobs get doubled up after every cutback. Now we're working 60, 70, or even 80 hours a week and we're getting paid exactly the same as before. At least the people down in the factory get paid for all of their overtime, even if it's a little less per hour than it was last year. Be thankful for what you have! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

DannyD · Oct 30, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

Fortunately those that I work for dont have much clout in the big scheme of things..........and that was then, this is now. I have more control over the things I do now.........and I make them money doing my job. Those in charge of those in charge at my company will fire them first time we lose money..........they have done it more than once.

DannyD · Oct 30, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

Fortunately those that I work for dont have much clout in the big scheme of things..........and that was then, this is now. I have more control over the things I do now.........and I make them money doing my job. Those in charge of those in charge at my company will fire them first time we lose money..........they have done it more than once.

DannyD · Oct 30, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

Um, if I had to take a pay cut, I could flip burgers at mickey d's for more than I would make.........especially the 60% Delphi is tossing around. Now the CEO's 20%, ah, I would run the mickey d's.

As for middle mgnt types, yep you may be right, that is what we have where I am now. Most work hard, and long hours. But when an employee comes up with a good idea...........in a coiple of weeks it will be done..........and thier idea. had it happen just this week to me.
And yes I can find comparable work...........I happen to like what I do.

I dont work in a factory now, been out of it for over 10 years. I was put on total disability..........thier nice way of getting rid of my 18 years of seniority. I decided to make a better life for me and my family and get an education that pays me well.

MikePA · Oct 30, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

murph said: In fact many of them have come to me and demanded raises. When I told them there was no room for raises and why, they would say to me, "that they don't care about me or the financial position of the company" 
I imagine the same people who are working for murph, and asking for raises when business is down, are complaining about the 'management' at their company, too.

vetteman · Oct 31, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

You are comparing apples to oranges here. You OWN your company, The CEO of Delphi doesnt own it othe than his stock options he just is a VERY well paid employee. And I think if the big executives want thehourly workers to take a 60% cut in pay , the big wigs should also.

LetsRoll · Oct 31, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

( I sit in my cubicle and pound my keys each day dreaming of the day when I'll make more than the hourly guys in the factory! Without us, you wouldn't have the raw materials delivered to the factories to do your jobs and get paid.)

Wooow....you make factory workers, like myself, feel so small by the comment you just made. I only have one comment to say; without direct labor, you would'nt even have a indirect labor job. Direct labor adds quality to the cost which means more $$$$ for the product. Indirect labor take away from the total cost meaning less $$$$. Thats why your going through cut backs (being indirect labor for ex).

~EDIT~
Ok...a few comments...../forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

AndyM · Oct 31, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

 Wooow....you make factory workers, like myself, feel so small by the comment you just made. 

There was nothing intended to make anyone feel small. I was one of the factory workers for several years. Having done both at the same company, I see many times the factory workers look at anyone on salary as "the bad guys", who make tons of money, and don't realize that we make way less than they think and go through many of the same problems.

 I only have one comment to say; without direct labor, you would'nt even have a indirect labor job. 

Yep. You are correct. It's a two way street. You can't have one without the other. I just get frustrated because you always hear about the concessions that the people in the factory are taking, without any mention of our jobs being doubled up. It's 5:30 am now, and I'm going into work because of everything sitting on my desk. Very frustrating indeed.

I've accepted, however, to be grateful for the job I have, even with the long hours and other cutbacks (I'm making A LOT less than last year), because there is nothing else out there right now.

HGM · Oct 31, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

OK, I've read a good portion of this thread. I would liked to have read it all but wanted to add something I thinnk most have not really touched on.

I work for a large company, in the best job I could immagine. Love my job for a change and woldnt dream of leaving because I couldnt get another one like it.

Anyhow, the larger companies in this country are in serious trouble because of the promises they have made over the years. I have tried to be neutral about unions, because I didnt have experience with them. Now I am realizing how BAD they are for our economy.

Many of our airlines and auto manufacturers are in serious financial trouble. The main reason I see is the pension and other benifits they have given to their retired employees. Living in the Atlanta area, I heard an interesting fact on the news not long ago. They stated that retired pilots earn approx $150,000 per year as their pension, not to mention continuing benifits they may also recieve. Yes, I said retired.... If you factor in that a company is in bussiness for 60yrs maintaining a million employees , after 30yrs they are paying 1million people retirement benifits(obviously they all dont get $150k) that dont even contribute to the companies operations. immagine what that costs a company.

While I do agree that its a nice thing for someone to be able to rest assured they will have an income after retirement, this isnt the way to do it. The employees will naturally say that they payed their dues and worked hard durring thier working years, not denying that... However, if the company goes out of bussiness for these practices, it has to be revisited. Sorry, you need to be weaned at some point. Like many of the rest of us, you need to make your own retirement and invest for your own retirement fund.

Unions sound great for the employee they are protecting, but if they run a company out of bussiness do you really think they care? will they continure your benifits?

Its a bad scene, and it cant get better.. With our population growing in leaps and bounds and people living much longer than ever. Allot more people are in the workforce, keeping labor costs relatively cheap because of supply and demand rules,how much has your pay increased over the past 10yrs? Does it match inflation?. Allot more folks are living many years in retirement because of better healthcare and living conditions.

Just my .02..........

Tractors4u · Oct 31, 2005

Re: Delphi\'s Bankruptcy

There is a Delphi factory about 20 miles from me. I know a lot of people that work there. Assembly line workers made good money. The joke was that you would take a job pushing a broom there and make $25 an hour. I know that the CEO's are often over paid and have ridiculous buyout clauses in their contract, but another problem that I know of is this. When business was slow they would have paid lay offs. The hourly employees would beg to be laid off because they would draw 90 to 95% of their pay while laid off! Where is the logic in that? I don't know if this was something that UAW had something to do with or what. My uncle built a new house 2 years ago while he was laid off and hated having to go back to work just before his house was finished because he was getting so much done on the house and being paid by Delphi at the same time.