Depression

[MicroPilot]

Amen. And Duke Power is doing just that. They're starting on the first new nuke plant to be built in years.

While generating capacity has to be increased and is part of the "grid", it's my understanding that the major problem is in the aging transmission system, and that there isn't enough capacity in the transmission system to handle much more power from new plants.

 

[riptides]

While generating capacity has to be increased and is part of the "grid", it's my understanding that the major problem is in the aging transmission system, and that there isn't enough capacity in the transmission system to handle much more power from new plants.

Really? I always thought it was time, demand and the cost of generation that was the issue.

When demand peaks, new plants are brought on-line, but due to the nature of the grid, it takes a while to 1 - fire the plant up, 2 - provide capacity.

The first step is an issue.

What type of plant? Where? Plant capacity? Staffing, cost and run-time all factor into your cost of electricity.

 

[N80]

While generating capacity has to be increased and is part of the "grid", it's my understanding that the major problem is in the aging transmission system, and that there isn't enough capacity in the transmission system to handle much more power from new plants.

That would likely be a regional thing. Growth and housing (even now) are booming in this area. New infrastructure going in all the time.

Even so, if you need to move more stuff (water, electrons, whatever) you build bigger pipes. Certainly seems more palatable than continued dependance on the middle east, and for the greenies, more palatable than bothering the penguins, polar bears and caribou.

 

[dmccarty]

Even so, if you need to move more stuff (water, electrons, whatever) you build bigger pipes. Certainly seems more palatable than continued dependance on the middle east, and for the greenies, more palatable than bothering the penguins, polar bears and caribou.

We have a nuke that provides must of the power for our area and the greenies have protests against this plant every few months for years. If Progress wanted to put in a generation station using coal, oil or gas they would protest. I would guess if wind power was possible they would protest as well.

Later,
Dan

 

[N80]

They have protested wind already. Its ugly, noisy and kills birds. Most greenies simply need a physics lesson.....no....just a simple life lesson...which is that there is no free lunch and you don't get something for nothing. I suspect most of us learned those lessons as children.

But deep down, I don't really think they are that naive. I think 75 years ago they would have been called anarchists. They are interested in bucking the system. All they want is a change. What the change is, and what the consequences are is irrelevent to them. Whatever is the status quo, even if it is good, is what they want to defeat. And as more and more people realize this, the more irrelevant the greenies will become.

 

[Skerby]

We are not headed for a depression. We are headed for an awakening.

This nation was built on the backs of farmers... on grit, work ethic and determination...

I thought this nation was built on slavery and child labour for centuries? And now, WELCOME the 'global economy' where we have products built in countries that have human rights exploitations and air quality standards that are lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut!

global economy says if you want a job in manufacturing, move to china and india to work lets bail out the us auto industry so we can finance cheap labour operations in developing countries while fluffing up the american managerial elite's compensation...

 

[ToadHill]

Kills Birds! Have you ever seen one of those things, the blades move so slowly that any bird that lets it hit them should be ashamed. If they fly that slow I'm going to take up bird hunting because even I could hit them.

 

[N80]

There is an incredible irony here. First, consider the US worker. We as a nation agree that he should get health insurance, high wages (compared to the rest of the world), worker's comp, union membership etc. We do this because we say that we believe in human rights. And yet, we take those jobs off shore where those rights that we consider can be abused for cheap labor. So we're still abusing someone, and the US worker loses his job. We feel like it is okay to abuse the Chinese or Indian or Mexican worker because they are not US citizens. They do not enjoy the rights and protections we have.

Then, consider the Taliban member, caught in the act of trying to kill US Soldiers or trying to kill US civilians. He is not only a prisoner of war, but he is a war criminal. He has conducted warfare with no uniform or national affiliation. So what do we do with him? Well, with the new party in power, the idea is to bring him into this country where he will enjoy the legal protections enjoyed by US citizens.

Do you guys see the pattern? Rights for those who wish to deprive us of the rights we're offering him! No rights for those from whom we buy goods. No jobs for those whom should be buying goods. So the pattern looks like this:

Our enemy:full rights
Our own worker: no job
Our ttrading partner: abuse of rights

Does that seem messed up or what?

 

[czechsonofagun]

I thought this nation was built on slavery and child labour for centuries?

And what nation was not?

 

[N80]

And what nation was not?

Well, we should not forget that slaves and children typically do not build a nation of their own accord. Someone has to have the power, foresight, will and lack of ethics to subjugate, organize and motivate them.

But lest we go too far down the road of historical revisionism and bashing of dead white males, it is true that in large part, this nation was built on the backs and with the minds of some great people and that agriculture was at the heart of it.