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   / Depression #51  
All that makes sense.

One of the things that worries me is that we are going to have a hard time defending ourselves only with ideas. A guy who can make a good club out of a log is going to beat the brains out of the guy who can engineer an Abrams tank but who doesn't have the skill to make one.
 
   / Depression #53  
hazmat said:
Anyway - Florida has done lots of research via surveys etc. on "place" - one thing that was interesting was that safety, education, health care & infrastructure were a given - ie if a place didn't have them, then no-one would be interested in living there, thus property values would decline. What differentiates the "great" places from the acceptable places are beauty and culture - ie parks, art, theater, restaurants etc. Not that you'll necessarily partake on a routine basis, but that feeling of knowing you can if you want to, makes the place more desirable.


Sounds like Florida has kind of re-discovered Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs


WVBill
 
   / Depression #54  
N80 said:
...There are real and serious factors that influence where people live that have nothing to do with 'wants'. The price of housing, the quality of schools, the crime rates, air quality are just to name a few. There are obviously others...

Interesting, are thiose wants or needs you listed?
 
   / Depression #55  
WVBill said:
Sounds like Florida has kind of re-discovered Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs


WVBill

He actually directly quotes Maslow and applies it to "place" vs. Psyche.

Though I will warn y'all - when I tried to explain my new Gannon box scraper as "self actualization" to my wife (who has a Bachelor's in Psychology) it didn't fly :D :confused:
 
   / Depression #56  
riptides said:
Interesting, are thiose wants or needs you listed?

You tell me. Does not having your kids live next to a crack house sound like a want or a need to you? Does not sending your kids to a substandard school with violent crime problems sound like a want or a need to you? Does buying a house you can afford sound like a want or a need to you? Does not living in a high polution area (like the LA basin) when you have a child with asthma sound like a want or a need to you?

If your answer is that it is all relative, then we can't use want and need as a measure for the legitimacy of where people live.
 
   / Depression #57  
hazmat said:
Though I will warn y'all - when I tried to explain my new Gannon box scraper as "self actualization" to my wife (who has a Bachelor's in Psychology) it didn't fly :D :confused:


:D:D:D:D I took a couple of psych courses with my Master's but my wife is a Psych Nurse so she sees right through me when I try to "use psychology" on her. ...then maybe it's just a "woman thing" - they're better at that than us anyway...:rolleyes:

WVBill
 
   / Depression #58  
Makes alot of sense.

The areas in florida where land is still cheap has no industry, very little infastructure / hospitals/shopping/employment.

IE.. you can buy land in the boonies as long as you don't mind driving an hour to get -ANYWHERE- other than your land.. or a couple hours to get to EMPLOYMENT.

soundguy

hazmat said:
Just read an interesting book Who is your city (Florida). It's kind of counter to The World is Flat (Friedman). Basically Florida argues that place matters and that wealth is created by ideas , not by converting raw materials into products, ie a "creative" economy (think Microsoft, Google vs GM). He also argues that there are "creative" economies of scale and thus industries cluster (computers in CA, Finance in NYC, entertainment in LA for example). This is what is driving up the cost of living in these mega regions.

Anyway - Florida has done lots of research via surveys etc. on "place" - one thing that was interesting was that safety, education, health care & infrastructure were a given - ie if a place didn't have them, then no-one would be interested in living there, thus property values would decline. What differentiates the "great" places from the acceptable places are beauty and culture - ie parks, art, theater, restaurants etc. Not that you'll necessarily partake on a routine basis, but that feeling of knowing you can if you want to, makes the place more desirable.

As a side note on the economy - Florida shows data that the income gap is widening between his so called "creative class" and those in the "old economy" especially as "mundane" manufacturing is moved offshore to Asia. A Corallary to this is that regions will diverge as well - Detroit will continue to decline unless it can attract more "creative" industry while LA will continue to prosper as the Entertainment capitol of the world. One thing I've noticed is that just about every city/state I can think of is trying to attract "green" industry (alt energy etc.) - which is seen as the next big thing in terms of the creative economy.
 
   / Depression #59  
I agree.. that's why we need strong civil rights/liberties / citizens rights so that effective self defense is available to all who are willing to practice it.

I don't want to take this into a gun rigths discussion.. but would like to make this side comment... Most of the time when you se a pro-gun law or amendment pass, the largest detracters are those that don't want guns, and they act like gun legislation actually effects them negatively.. when in fact.. if you don't own a gun.. the law may as well be neutral to you. Very rarely do you see ordinances ( outside texas ) that REQUIRES anyone to own a gun.. The fact that some choose to own a gun and some don't is fine. i just don't want the non gun owners telling me i can't have a gun just because they don't want one. Interesting point to this is that some of the top anti-gunners have special protection security guards / details that carry guns .. go figure.. It's the old double standard.

To keep this topical with N80's comment.. you can substitute 'weapon' in place of gun, and it generally applies.. IE.. knife, non lethal chemical or electrical weapons.. etc. Statistics show that when you outlaw self defense weapon.. crime goes up.. not down.. australia and englad are prime examples.

Sorry to hjack and soapbox your comment N80 :rolleyes:

If anyone wants to respond to any of the gun/weapon portions o f this message, you can feel free to do so via PM, as I bet this topic could become hot quick.. and we don't want this topic closed any sooner than it probably is going to be anyway..

soundguy

N80 said:
All that makes sense.

One of the things that worries me is that we are going to have a hard time defending ourselves only with ideas. A guy who can make a good club out of a log is going to beat the brains out of the guy who can engineer an Abrams
tank but who doesn't have the skill to make one.
 
   / Depression #60  
N80 said:
If your answer is that it is all relative, then we can't use want and need as a measure for the legitimacy of where people live.

I have to agree with your assessment. It is all relative. And situational dependant.
 
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