Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor

   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #21  
That "Unsafe at any Speed" was one of the biggest hoax's ever put onto the American Public. Very unfortunate, but typical of our American Way.
 
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#22  
Not to be a dissenting voice, but did you ever read Unsafe at Any Speed? Good luck with the project.


Not to be rude by any means. Life is way to short for that stuff.

I have owned a few - they are safe!

Have you even owned one? :D

There have been many other books showing the newer findings long after that book.

Even the government stated that it was safe - years after the book you speak of was released.

Just like with a wil - it is the last one that counts!!! :laughing:

More times then not it's the driver behind the wheel of any car - one ton - two ton - ford - cehvy - that makes a car unsafe while driving....

Just like humans - all cars have their limitions...

Have you seen a corvair road race and tear up the track and other race cars? :D

Videos all over showing such stuff. :thumbsup:

BTW - Did you even read the thread or just the title?

I know people to this day who hear the word Amway - first thing out of their mouth - it is a pyramid scheme and against the law.

ODD how the US government after years and years of trying to find something wrong with Amway - stated that it was one of, if not, the only business like it that was not illegal. However, people still bad mouth it to this day. It's a part of life!

I only learned the true about it --as part of my college business class.


I hope you learn the truth about alot of things... and don't assume...or simply post stuff to stir things up.

Have a great day and good luck.
 
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#23  
Back the the program at hand. :laughing:


Max MPH and max RPMs I'm looking for:
I do NOT want to go over 20MPH or 2,500RPMs


Specs on 110HP Corvair Air-Cooled engine RPMs = HP:(up to 2,000RPMs should be more than enough)

RPMs - HP
1,000 = 25

1,500 = 35

2,000 = 50


I'm thinking:
Viarable sped Pump, operating under 2,500RPMs, mounted to engine with coupler.

1) I want the gas pedal to control the engine RPMs as well as how fast the tractor moves. (fluid to the differentail)

2) To have some way to lock the engine RPMs at 1,500 to 2,200 to run other hydraulic attachments at faster speeds - but I still want the pedal to control my speed of how fast the tractor moves.



Attachments I want to operate on the back:

A 60" cutting deck to pull behind the tractor - with a single hydraulic motor to operate the belt drive for 3 blades. (I'll look for such a deck used with the bad gas engine and rebuild the rest to mount the hydraulic motor in place of the gas engine)

A dump trailer to move firewood, dirt, and what-not. (Hyd raise only and let the bed bring it back down)

A Tiller

A chipper/shredder

Maybe a wood splitter



Attachments I want to operate on the front:

A 30" to 46" max, snowblower.
(my plan is buy a used walk behind and to remove the gas motor, drive setup and mount the rest of the front half with a hydraulic motor right to the main shaft) The entire thing will quick disconnect from the tractor.

A front bucket the same size as the snowblower.


Things I will need:
One Forward and Reverse control valve.
Mount it right in front of the seat, between my legs.

Hyd Storage tank
Sized TWO to TWO and Half times the GPM mounted under the seat and forward of seat if needed.

Hyd Filter

Hyd Cooler
Mount right above the cooling fan for the Corvair air-cooled Engine Quick disconnects for front and back attachment to tractor

One FIVE lever control vavle to operate:

1 - turns the shute from left to right

2 - to adjust how far the snow goes

3 - WINTER operates snowblower hydraulic motor - SUMMER - operates cutting deck hydraulic motor

4 - extra (block off for now)

5 - WINTER raises and lowers the snowblower - SUMMER raises the dump box to empty it

Governor
 
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   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #24  
You have some cool stuff corvair guy. I love your place. When are you going to put a corvair engine on that Heritage st.
 
   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #25  
Back the the program at hand. :laughing:
I'm thinking:
Viarable sped Pump, operating under 2,500RPMs, mounted to engine with coupler.

Governor

You need variable delivery pump (swash plate pump). In other words the pump should be able to deliver zero flow when the engine is running. Pumps like that are also reversible so you can drive forward and reverse without shifting gear.

You can use standard cruise control for speed governor. Some cars with manual transmissions had cruise based on ignition or just mount the speed pickup on a gear that turns proportionally with the engine speed.
 
   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #26  
You need variable delivery pump (swash plate pump). In other words the pump should be able to deliver zero flow when the engine is running. Pumps like that are also reversible so you can drive forward and reverse without shifting gear

:thumbsup:
 
   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #27  
All HST tractors use directional and ground speed controls that are independent of the engine speed control (throttle) for a reason...

You cannot stop the tractor with the gas pedal.

It is simpler to set the engine speed to a set RPM and then vary the speed and direction of a hydraulically propelled machine by varying the flow of the hydraulics with a pedal that is connected to a valve that can not only control flow rate but direction, too.

My Power Trac is a hydraulically propelled machine that I am very familiar with. It uses 4 hydraulic motors, one at each wheel, to provide propulsion. There is one variable volume pump as J_J described (he also has a Power Trac), that provides power to two series/parallel hydraulic circuits that drive the wheel motors (two motors to a circuit). There is a treadle pedal that controls both speed and direction. Left foot pedal is reverse, right foot pedal is forward. If you push the right pedal down, the left pedal raises and vice versa. If you take your feet off the pedals, the treadle self centers and the unit stops on its own. The farther down you push the pedal, the faster the tractor moves, but the torque decreases. So if you want more power, you let up on the pedal. Sounds weird, but that's the way it works.

By contrast, most HST tractors have an engine that drives a pump that provides hydraulic power to a hydraulic motor that turns a shaft on a transmission, which feeds a range case that feeds a drive shaft that turns a differential (or two if it is 4WD).

Either way, you have separate engine throttle and direction/speed controls.

Now, if you want to vary the speed of the unit with your gas pedal instead of a hydraulic pedal, you will need some very complicated and expensive hydraulic circuitry. The problems you are going to run into are going to be getting the unit to stop, change direction, etc...

How are you going to stop a hydraulically powered unit with the gas pedal? How are you going to change directions?
How are you going to start moving? There will be very little torque available if the engine is running at low RPM. If you step on the gas, chances are it will stall the engine before it overcomes the resistance of, say, a plow in a snow bank or a bucket in a pile of dirt.
If you set the engine at a high RPM but ground speed is controlled by the gas pedal, won't the unit want to move fast instantly? You will need a clutch to get it to launch smoothly and that is what you want to avoid, correct? See what I'm getting at? It is not an easy thing to accomplish.

As others have mentioned, reinventing the wheel is an option, or you can just re-engine an existing tractor. Just adapt a Corvair engine to an existing HST tractor.

Also, many years ago there was a prolific poster here on TBN named Mark Chalkley. He had a tractor called an Earth Force. It had what was called automotive control. As you stepped on the forward pedal, it sensed how much engine power was needed and increased the engine RPM accordingly. However, the forward pedal is not a gas pedal, it is a hydraulic pedal. It was a very fuel efficient setup and had the ability to run like I described, or he could manually raise the engine RPM for tasks that require high hydraulic flow but slow or varying ground speeds like brush hogging, mowing, snow blowing, etc...
Here is a link to how he describes it.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/all-other-brands/24986-earthforce-ef-500-i-r.html

Good luck with your project. It looks fun. Corvairs were cool cars. My uncle was president of the local Corvair club for many years.
 
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Thanks Redneck and Mossroad.

I'm taking notes and should I miss something I can come back to this thread time and time again. It's one reason I love the net. Now if I could learn more about computers than using the on and off switch. :laughing:


I'm looking into purchasing this New Holland TW20 Cab in the picture.
However, I like to see the size of the full tractor, with this platform, before I fully comit to the purchase.

Doing searches for used TW20 for sale; I have not been able to find anything like the one in the picture below. The ones I see have curved rear fenders and not flat ones.

Is this a TW20? (or did they mark it wrong)

Does anyone have a picture of this tractor?

Do you know what year it might be?

Also do you have any idea what something like this is worth? (they want $1,500)


EDIT - I forgot to mention I also put this post, about the cab platform, in the New Holland thread.

Thanks, Tony
 

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   / Designing a Corvair Custom Hydraulic Tractor #29  
Have you considered finding a skid steer for donor hydraulics. They have hydraulic motors, directional valves and a big pump. The new CAT skid steers have a foot feed option that I really like. An articulating design would be cool.

Dan
 
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#30  
Dan, I love to find a tractor/equipment junk yard up here.

However, since I moved to the great white north, to get married and live, I'm finding out that there is a lot I miss about the USA. :)

Don't get me wrong.. It is lovely up here and for the most part the people are more friendly here than they are or can be in the big cities of the USA.

I could sure do without these long long long winter! :D
And cold too = -40f cold... :p lol
 

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