.yes, we do need to steward responsible.
we sure agree on that, and who is to set the goals, the standards so that the walk is walked instead of just talked?
many, many folk believe we are fiddling while our Earth is burning.
Incremental improvement is needed, or in China's case, some emergency measures.
Remember the Los Angeles smog? Hasn't it improved? And not by just happenstance.
Most of us on this forum have a deep connection to the earth, the earth is our livelihood, our sustenance, our future.
We need to protect it, sensibly.
There have been great achievements on exhaust emissions. However we are reaching a point where further reduction of emission, has lead to an increased fuel consumption, so more Co2 and we'll run out of natural resources quicker.
Windmills: its the biggest scam in history, they cant survive without subsidy and the production of the Neodymium magnets for the generators, poison entire regions in china:
In China, the true cost of Britain's clean, green wind power experiment: Pollution on a disastrous scale | Mail Online
The same goes for hybrid cars: if you take the production of a conventional car and its total lifetime emission, versus a hybrids production emissions and its total lifetime emissions, nothing is gained. Also their electrical motors contribute to the same Chinese poison lake as the windmills...
Woodchips are called "renewable energy" but when you go full circle, count the total amount of energy used to harvest, process, transport the energy, fossile fuels emit less Co2 than "renewable fuel" because BOTH fuels are combusted, just fossil is more efficient in the processing and transport.
Aside of that, i never understood how a tree on a biowood plantation could find its own carbon dioxide molecules back and not accidentally absorb Co2 from fossile fuel.... So if we fight against Co2 emissions, how does burning wood instead of oil help the balance of atmopspheric Co2 ?? While offering no solution to Co2 emissions at all, biofuels sure help special interest groups in collecting government subsidies....
And for a better perspective of Co2 emission caused by human actions, vs Co2 emission (and absorption) due to the cycles of our planet:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm
The only REAL solution that could stop the emission of Co2 is nuclear.... which is something the greenies just dont want to hear, and make up their own solutions while contradicting themselves...
Its time for the ideologists to step down and rethink the consequences of their green ideals, then reset their goals more sensibly because we're swinging over to the other side where more environmental harm is done than prevented.
YES i am skeptical of the fatalism. Any ancient society had some sort of fatal belief that if they didnt sacrifice, the gods of nature would annihilate them. Some even sacrificed their children to keep the gods of nature at ease.... In that respect, our modern secular religion has found new sacrifices to make to the gods of nature, nothing has changed.
Environmentalism as a religious belief, has grown to the point that people stare blind on the end user output and forget the poison at the input side, while more financial resources are wasted on things that cannot guarantee that our children can have the wealth we ourselves have enjoyed, once we run out of oil: Lets not forget, we live our modern convenient lives with food, shelter, medicine, holidays, travel, because of our energy resources. Wealth for the common man, started growing not untill energy became cheap.
A side effect of biofuels is that the world grain prices have gone way up, meaning that many in Africa cant afford food and local growers sell it to the highest bidder, which are 1st world biofuel companies.
nobody has provably died from global warming yet, though many have died from poverty... and we dont give a d*mn about that, we just buy ourselves some "green complacency" for our sinful luxurious life, and get back to minding our own business...
Anyways, because of the long term political interference (by funding only the research that
confirms man made global warming) the discussion can no longer be a purely scientifical discussion anymore because too many scientists and politicians have a dog in this fight: For some political groups, environmentalism is the sole reason of their existance, and you bet they wont let go of it !! So climate change has become a merely political discussion... Which is why we better stop hi-jacking this thread...
