Diesel confirmed in new Chevy Colorado.

[RalphVa]

They'll figure it out. Question is how long will it take. Our VW TDI starts and drives like a fine gasoline-engined V8 but with the thirst of a 2 or 3 cylinder engine. There's absolutely NO smoke EVER, even on very cold startup. Whereas, my "tier 4" JD 1025 has about the same smoke (a little of it blue, but mostly whitish haze) as my 4010 had with its 1980ish engine design (started and ran like our 1983 240D).

May have to go with catalytic converters and soot traps like on the TDI. Have had cat converters on gasoline engined vehicles for years. Shoulda had the sulfur out of diesel long ago so they could fix its emissions a long time ago. Techology was pretty much there, but the oil companies drug their feet because it cost them plenty to put the extra hydrotreating in. Think it's near the same hydrotreating as applied to make what's called "synthetic" oil. Different catalyst and all.

Ralph

 

[94BULLITT]

you think? :confused3:
Get gasoline back to four bucks a gallon and maybe some lightbulbs will go on. But maybe the corn farmers have the bulbs unscrewed...

The gas prices are crawling up again.........

 

[ruffdog]

The gas prices are crawling up again.........

Thanks to the Keystone XL. The more oil we pipe to the gulf, the less we have and our price goes up.
Oil Rises Most Since September on Keystone Pipeline Plan - Bloomberg

 

[daugen]

getting a bit off topic, but curious:
What impact does the Keystone XL have on LNG pricing? That seemed to be the darling energy pick awhile back with all the new LNG discoveries. If LNG prices drop, will LNG make a comeback in tractors, like the "old days"? Less emissions, clean burning engines...If I'm mixing up propane and LNG, correct me please.

 

[Renze]

Whereas, my "tier 4" JD 1025 has about the same smoke (a little of it blue, but mostly whitish haze) as my 4010 had with its 1980ish engine design (started and ran like our 1983 240D).

You mean the six cylinder "new generation" 4010 ? that was an engine design of the mid 60's.. 150-200 bar was the usual injection pressure back then, nowadays common rail systems have a tenfold of that

 

[Scott64]

I guise I should have said they designed that motor for them . But they have had a long term relationship and it wouldn't bother me to buy one with one of there motors. The reason being I've ran several pieces of equipment with tree motors and it wasn't usual to see 7 to 10 thousand hours before a rebuild

 

[handirifle]

I believe that France and Germany are instituting tighter emissions regs, if I read that right.
So tighter emissions aren't just our issues.
Of course we could stop all control and have the air China or Mexico City has, do we really want that?

Let's just blame it all on California.
Everything starts there first.

Ouch! Truth hurts.

Interesting thread, lots of different opinions. Me personally, I will likely be going from a Toyota gasser to a diesel next year. Need some power to pull my 5th wheel better.

I see some mention of someone wanting a "truck" with a unibody? To me that's a oxymoron. The two do not mix. I would never call any El Camino type vehicle a truck, more of a car with open storage. Never liked them when they came out way back when and not now. When I bought my Tundra, I looked at the Honda Ridgeline and ran away. The El Camino/Ranchero was better built, in my opinion.

But as I said these are MY OPINIONS, and I am sure others disagree, no worries, free country, sort of.

I also think 30 mpg is pretty darn good for a truck like the Colorado. I don't know all the specs on it like GVWR or GCWR but it is a truck and could do a lot more work than any of the above.

I see the Colorado diesel being a big hit with businesses. Back in the day, when I used to do heating and AC work, we had tool box beds on out 1/2 T trucks. We averaged about 9-10 mpg with those trucks. With a diesel truck like the Colorado loaded and getting even half the estimated 30 mpg, that would be a 50% increase in mileage. In all likely hood it would get more like 20 as my guess, when loaded with tool box sides.

My experience with gas trucks is they can sometimes get good MPG when empty, but put a little load on them and watch it turn single digits in a big hurry.

I'm going diesel, cause my Tundra gets sucky mileage (13 combined avg) and has very limited towing power. With a diesel I can get at least the same mileage, most likely more, and WAY better towing/hauling power.

We needed the EPA to clean our air, but we do not need ANY agency to have a stranglehold on the country, like they do.

 

[Renze]

We needed the EPA to clean our air, but we do not need ANY agency to have a stranglehold on the country, like they do.

Same **** in Europe. government financed institutions have survival instinct, they sort of create a reason, an agenda for their own existence because no civil servant is giving up his job on his own, and neither do the managers, they need to keep people to manage in order to stay a well payd manager... like a tumor.

Perhaps at least SOME people are slowly waking up ?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/12/50000-at-rally-against-climate-agenda-in-poland/

 

[daugen]

I see some mention of someone wanting a "truck" with a unibody? To me that's a oxymoron.

Handirifle this seems the crux of the question. Trucks were once bought for their utility in a business environment.
Now I think more trucks are used as pleasure vehicles than work trucks. For the Home Depot guy, why not a unibody?
A full frame truck is seriously heavy, it almost has to be, and for bringing home a water heater, or a couch, or ten bags of cement, why not a lighter weight vehicle? Not every truck has to be able to have a Komatsu excavator dumping a ton of dirt in the back...

Minivans would serve this purpose well also, and likely do for many, many families. But guys think of minivans as a woman's car, a soccer mom stereotype, and want a truck instead. So is there a good market for a truckette vs. a truck?
I think so. Actually I had an awd Chrysler minivan years ago and what a wonderfully useful vehicle. But I probably would not want to put a mud encrusted rototiller back there...

Renze, I read the Poland reference and didn't understand what they were complaining about, was Poland being singled out for something? Nobody wants to pay to put scrubbers on their smoke stacks, but when do we all say "hey, this is our earth, not just your country"...

 

[RalphVa]

My JD 4010 was a 2004 model, but it had 1980ish technology. Fuel consumption was great, at only 0.46 gph over the 660 hours I had it. The 1025 is just now coming down to (24.2/18.5) x that amount.

My point was that technology used in the small engines is old stuff.

Ralph