Diesel fuel additive

[BillyP]

Billy, The refineries don't add the additives, the distributors do. I don't want to bet my $12000 diesel truck engine on their good will and altruism. Last year they didn't add enough gel point suppressants and nearly everyone was gel'ed up last February when the weather turned to normal WI cold (-15f).

Just for the record, I don't believe in the tooth fairy either.

jb

You're absolutely right John, I meant distributors instead of refineries but I still stand by my statement. Ask around to some of your local distributors and see what they say. I know because I did.

As far as gel treatment, that can get really iffy at certain times of the year and what part of the country you might drive to.

Just for the record, I don't believe in lightning rods either.

 

[BillyP]

Here's something else to read...

LUBRICITY. Traditional diesel fuel is a very effective lubricant, which is vital because the lower portions of the injector that meter and pressurize the fuel are not lubricated by the engine oil. Without sufficient lubrication from the fuel, they fail.

When sulfur is removed from diesel fuel, lubricants come out as well. But refiners "will be producing a better, more highly refined product, and adding a non-sulfur-based lubricity agent," McKenna says. "Refiners and marketers do have to test the fuel for lubricity, and they know what they have to do to the fuel to make it pass the test".
International materials note that the ULSD must meet the same standards for lubricity as traditional diesel. Cydni Nigh of Cummins and Tim Tindall, EPA ?7 director at Detroit Diesel, agree that lubricity additives should take care of any problems before the fuel reaches the pump, even without the fuel additives and premium diesel grades that will be marketed as lubricity enhancers.

The ultra-lowdown - Overdrive

 

[sandman2234]

I read an article in one of the trucking magazines, and it said that most of the larger refineries had switched, but some of the smaller ones hadn't made the switch and were producing 100% product that didn't meet the ULSD. They were getting away with it by hooking up with the ones that had made the switch and using their % of non conforming ULSD credits. If your really worried about it, find a non conforming supplier and find out where he is selling his product. The ULSD producers said they were adding enough lubicant to offset the sulfer loss, but kind of like a thermos used for hot or cold.... How does it know?
David from jax

 

[jmfox]

I was using fuel from Mobil, but now that I think about it I did purchase the last 10 gallons from a small mom & pop. Hmmm...

jmf

 

[Kendrick]

Jay supposedly at b2 it is not a real danger. for lubricity i would go with b2 which sounds like it may become a standard for the diesel industry in the near future. If I can dig up the info on the b2 gelling i will. I would still use a antijelling product with it and let the b2 do the lubrication.

Glowplug is right. and it stinks that people took it off subject and in to politician land.

I hope to do some testing over this winter about B100 and what it takes to keep it from gelling. I will keep you informed.

 

[john_bud]

You're absolutely right John, I meant distributors instead of refineries but I still stand by my statement. Ask around to some of your local distributors and see what they say. I know because I did.

As far as gel treatment, that can get really iffy at certain times of the year and what part of the country you might drive to.

Just for the record, I don't believe in lightning rods either.

BillyP,

(Hard to write, as I'm chuckling over your comment on the lightning rods!)

After my truck gelled up real bad, and all the local stores were completely stripped of every oz of anything that said "anti-gel", I went and had a discussion with the station that sold me the fuel. They apologized, and explained that the distributors did not use enough additive, thinking that the real cold weather was past. The temps went from 30's to -15F in 1 day. They were trying to maximize return. This is fuel bought and used 10 miles from the station in my case. No traveling to a cold place from a warm one.

I suppose we can amicably agree to dis-agree as neither of us are the ones pouring in the additives!

Just for the record, I don't believe in leprechauns at the end of rainbows, but I do believe in the Easter Bunny. Well, that is I did up until Gramps went rabbit hunting Easter morning....

jb

 

[sandman2234]

Hunting rabbits on Easter morning should be against the law, along with hunting over a watermelon patch...
My last post suggested purchasing from a smaller refinery might be better, but check into the sulfur levels in whatever you buy. The drawback of buying from a smaller refinery selling to Mom and Pop stations is the turnover of the fuel in the tanks. I buy from a new station near my house, but with very limited diesel turnover. I got trash in my JD on one of those tanks, so the price of the additive was offset by the cost of new filters.
David from jax

 

[silverdollar6]

"Just for the record, I don't believe in the tooth fairy either. "


FYI, There is no tooth fairy, Tooth fairy went bankrupt in Alabama and committed suicide.

 

[jmfox]

After my truck gelled up real bad, and all the local stores were completely stripped of every oz of anything that said "anti-gel", I went and had a discussion with the station that sold me the fuel. They apologized, and explained that the distributors did not use enough additive, thinking that the real cold weather was past.

I guess "if you don't know your meat, you better know your butcher," goes for diesel fuel too.

jmf

 

[jbrumberg]

jmf:

Great quote ! Somehow I will work this in at work . Jay