jyoutz
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Bet the vet can't haul or tow much, but I'm sure it's way cooler than my truck /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Diesel Passenger Cars in the U.S.
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polecat
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Hi guys its been a while /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
First of trucks in europe are called lorries /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif and i've owned 2 diesels...A82-84or maybe it was a 89 /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
vw rabbit diesel..got 45 mpg!!! was loud as hell and wouldnt go over 80...was a great little car and drove like a gocart and was a blast in the snow wishi could remember what year that car was ...it was many moons ago...my last diesel was an 89 300sdl 4dr.diesel...what a tank..but got almost 40mpg and it loved to drive...now that was an awesome car!!!My dad lives about an hour or so from me and drives a little subaru justy /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif and every time i would go visit him he'd look at me and smile...i would jump out and he'd jist drive all round..we'd go all over the place with it..i paid 2k for it 3 yrs ago and sold it a year later for the same..i dont know much about the new vw's but years back the germans built all their cars in germany...2 bad the quality has gone out of them...my friends jist filled their fuel tank in portland and #2 home heating is 1.25 a gallon and ji wouldnt hesitate 2 fuel up for a second with it...the hell with the gov...What i would really like to find is one of those old vw pup's with a diesel!!! There's an old guy down by my friend's in south portland that drives one around all summer long and i've talked to him b4 and hegits 40-45 mpg...Now thats what i'm talkkin bout!!!!I wish i hadone of those 3 right now...gas is 1.89 here in maine right now and i git 15-18 with my f150 with a 300 straight 6... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Good string and great 2 b on with ya'll for a few min's /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
TODD
First of trucks in europe are called lorries /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif and i've owned 2 diesels...A82-84or maybe it was a 89 /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
vw rabbit diesel..got 45 mpg!!! was loud as hell and wouldnt go over 80...was a great little car and drove like a gocart and was a blast in the snow wishi could remember what year that car was ...it was many moons ago...my last diesel was an 89 300sdl 4dr.diesel...what a tank..but got almost 40mpg and it loved to drive...now that was an awesome car!!!My dad lives about an hour or so from me and drives a little subaru justy /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif and every time i would go visit him he'd look at me and smile...i would jump out and he'd jist drive all round..we'd go all over the place with it..i paid 2k for it 3 yrs ago and sold it a year later for the same..i dont know much about the new vw's but years back the germans built all their cars in germany...2 bad the quality has gone out of them...my friends jist filled their fuel tank in portland and #2 home heating is 1.25 a gallon and ji wouldnt hesitate 2 fuel up for a second with it...the hell with the gov...What i would really like to find is one of those old vw pup's with a diesel!!! There's an old guy down by my friend's in south portland that drives one around all summer long and i've talked to him b4 and hegits 40-45 mpg...Now thats what i'm talkkin bout!!!!I wish i hadone of those 3 right now...gas is 1.89 here in maine right now and i git 15-18 with my f150 with a 300 straight 6... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Good string and great 2 b on with ya'll for a few min's /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
TODD
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Bet the vet can't haul or.....)</font>
Bet you it can /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif! It hauls A$$ real good (LOL)! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Now all I need is a truck so I can tow /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.G
Bet you it can /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif! It hauls A$$ real good (LOL)! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Now all I need is a truck so I can tow /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.G
CTyler
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( vw rabbit diesel..got 45 mpg!!! )</font>
I had two friends that each had one of those. The one would get 50mpg. They were the most guttless things I had ever been in. The gas versions weren't bad though and got good milage.
I had two friends that each had one of those. The one would get 50mpg. They were the most guttless things I had ever been in. The gas versions weren't bad though and got good milage.
CTyler
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The programer alone increased torque at the rear wheels by ~25 ft/lb. Later I added a lower temp thermostat, headers, cold air box, large intake tube and KN cone filter.
The headers and tube both lowered the low end torque. The tube noticably more so than the headers. The mid and top end more than make up for it. However you have to hit 3k to hit the gains. The G-tech pro was used for later testing of headers etc..
The mods put the 0-60 times with solid sub 8 second times from the low 8's stock.
My truck is a half ton. My Brother in law has a 3/4 with the 6 liter and it gets about 14/15.
The headers and tube both lowered the low end torque. The tube noticably more so than the headers. The mid and top end more than make up for it. However you have to hit 3k to hit the gains. The G-tech pro was used for later testing of headers etc..
The mods put the 0-60 times with solid sub 8 second times from the low 8's stock.
My truck is a half ton. My Brother in law has a 3/4 with the 6 liter and it gets about 14/15.
TresCrows
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The little Toyota I was speaking off since I was speaking of smaller cars/trucks/engines gets between 25 and 35 MPG and has done so for 250,000 plus miles.
Chechnya, then I guess they do all that in a Ford Focus, just curious because you don't see many 'lories" over there. I assumed it was fuel prices and maybe over conjested narrow streets just as you don't see as many PU trucks in New York or Chicago--as many--still some. Frankly, I really don't much care how or what they do over there /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Does that answer your question, hope so /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. J
Chechnya, then I guess they do all that in a Ford Focus, just curious because you don't see many 'lories" over there. I assumed it was fuel prices and maybe over conjested narrow streets just as you don't see as many PU trucks in New York or Chicago--as many--still some. Frankly, I really don't much care how or what they do over there /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. Does that answer your question, hope so /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. J
CTyler
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I get 21 MPG with my 3/4 Dodge truck with manual tranny and Cummins diesel. What does your Toyota get? )</font>
My Father in law has a 95 Dodge 1 ton duely 2WD auto w/Cummins turbo diesel and averages 20mpg.
My Father in law has a 95 Dodge 1 ton duely 2WD auto w/Cummins turbo diesel and averages 20mpg.
TresCrows
Elite Member
Rather than starting a contest over whose current truck gets the best mileage, it appears reaonable that none of us have anything that gets much over 30 MPG. My Tundra has hit 24 MPG highway. In any case I fear that we are headed towards 3.00 dollar fuel. I hope not but I see it coming, limited resources and most all of it in unstable and unfriendly countries /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. What I was meaning to say but I guess I did not was that most people--outside of TBN I guess /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif-- often own trucks as a lifestyle statement. The big trucks they own are rarely used at any where near capacity. Now--don't freak out /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif--obviously some people do use their trucks for work in the manner they were intended--just many more do not. Soooooo, what I am saying is that while it appears the auto makers, Ford, Toyota, Chevy, Dodge are hell bent to build gargantuan /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif vehicles at the same time fuel prices are going up /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. Even their compact trucks have gotten to be nearly as big as what full size trucks were a few years ago /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. My thought--probably wrong--so go ahead and tell me how wrong I am /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif--is that most people could make do with something smaller. Something with an efficient hybrid drive or supercharged diesel/gasoline engine. The mileage would need to be something like 35 city/45 highway. This is doable with current technology but not in a 6,000 lb vehicle. If a truck the size of my little Toyota had a 2 liter supercharged diesel I think it would get that type mileage and still be useable for hauling plants, fertilizer, plywood and lumber and all that.
I have heard several people here and there say the high prices will not affect their vehicle use etc. Yeah, true maybe at 2.00 dollars, but at what price would it begin to affect YOU?, 2.00, 3.00, 5.00 dollars? Hopefully such prices will never happen here but then again fuel prices are already 2 bucks and the Summer driving season has not even begun yet. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. J
I have heard several people here and there say the high prices will not affect their vehicle use etc. Yeah, true maybe at 2.00 dollars, but at what price would it begin to affect YOU?, 2.00, 3.00, 5.00 dollars? Hopefully such prices will never happen here but then again fuel prices are already 2 bucks and the Summer driving season has not even begun yet. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. J
MikePA
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<font color="blue"> while it appears the auto makers, Ford, Toyota, Chevy, Dodge are hell bent to build gargantuan vehicles at the same time fuel prices are going up . </font>
When the time from design to build for a new vehicle is measured in years, how are vehicle manufacturers supposed to respond to weekly/monthly fuel price changes? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The ill-fated V8/6/4 Cadillac engine and the horrible GM 350 V8 diesel are some of the results of a rush to market. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<font color="blue"> Even their compact trucks have gotten to be nearly as big as what full size trucks were a few years ago </font>
What about the mileage the current compact trucks get as compared to a few years ago?
<font color="blue"> is that most people could make do with something smaller. </font>
Based upon what criteria or set of standards? In most, if not all cases, the unstated preface to this statement is 'If I were in your situation, then' you could do with something smaller. IOW, we evaluate someone elses choice based upon our personal criteria.
<font color="blue"> but at what price would it begin to affect YOU?, 2.00, 3.00, 5.00 dollars? </font>
That's what's great about the economy, the marketplace will determine the future of big SUVs and trucks rather than an external entity. When people grow weary of paying over $100 to fill up the tank, they will decide to drive/buy something that's more fuel efficient more often. That's what I did years ago. I used to drive a full sized, V8 K1500 back and forth to work each day. When fuel prices rose, the truck was relegated to hauling supplies and towing the trailer and I began driving a Geo Prizm that gets 34 mpg instead of the 14 mpg the truck gets. Years before that I decided to carpool with another person, been doing that for over 25 years.
I work with people who commute to work each day, by themselves, in an Escalade. While that choice would be wrong for me, I am not going to judge them because I don't know their situation. I only see them at work. I do not see how they use the Escalade at home and on the weekends. In other words, I have only a very small window into their transportation world and for me to judge them by stating they could do with someting smaller would be extremely presumptive and arrogant of me.
Everyones transportation needs are different so it's great to have choices. These people decided, when fuel was $1.50/gallon, that an Escalade met those needs. At some fuel price point, they may change their minds and trade the Escalade in on a Subaru Forrester or a Ford Escape. It's great to have choices. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
When the time from design to build for a new vehicle is measured in years, how are vehicle manufacturers supposed to respond to weekly/monthly fuel price changes? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif The ill-fated V8/6/4 Cadillac engine and the horrible GM 350 V8 diesel are some of the results of a rush to market. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
<font color="blue"> Even their compact trucks have gotten to be nearly as big as what full size trucks were a few years ago </font>
What about the mileage the current compact trucks get as compared to a few years ago?
<font color="blue"> is that most people could make do with something smaller. </font>
Based upon what criteria or set of standards? In most, if not all cases, the unstated preface to this statement is 'If I were in your situation, then' you could do with something smaller. IOW, we evaluate someone elses choice based upon our personal criteria.
<font color="blue"> but at what price would it begin to affect YOU?, 2.00, 3.00, 5.00 dollars? </font>
That's what's great about the economy, the marketplace will determine the future of big SUVs and trucks rather than an external entity. When people grow weary of paying over $100 to fill up the tank, they will decide to drive/buy something that's more fuel efficient more often. That's what I did years ago. I used to drive a full sized, V8 K1500 back and forth to work each day. When fuel prices rose, the truck was relegated to hauling supplies and towing the trailer and I began driving a Geo Prizm that gets 34 mpg instead of the 14 mpg the truck gets. Years before that I decided to carpool with another person, been doing that for over 25 years.
I work with people who commute to work each day, by themselves, in an Escalade. While that choice would be wrong for me, I am not going to judge them because I don't know their situation. I only see them at work. I do not see how they use the Escalade at home and on the weekends. In other words, I have only a very small window into their transportation world and for me to judge them by stating they could do with someting smaller would be extremely presumptive and arrogant of me.
Everyones transportation needs are different so it's great to have choices. These people decided, when fuel was $1.50/gallon, that an Escalade met those needs. At some fuel price point, they may change their minds and trade the Escalade in on a Subaru Forrester or a Ford Escape. It's great to have choices. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Great points Mike. I think many folks have in the back of their mind that fuel prices will be dropping back to the good ol levels, I question that. I have always based my decision of car purchases on fuel economy being a major determining factor. Perhaps this new price for fuel will encourage others to as well which in turn drops the demand for Excursions, Escalades, heck even the V10's and V8's that get well under 20 mpg. The market has a way of taking care of these things. I remember the early 70's all to well and that feeling has stayed with me.
