Diesel vs. heating oil

MikePA · Jan 8, 2005

...just trying to break the tensions building between Junkman & Cowboydoc 
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cowboydoc · Jan 8, 2005

Ron,

They are both tax-free. Difference is the diesel for the tractors and pickups is premium #2. Diesel for tanks for the shop is whatever is the cheapest.

Actually what you did is exactly what I was trying to say. Talk to your fuel supplier. It may very well be the same exact stuff where you live. In our area it's different.

As far as what I think of the borders being opened we're selling 80% of all of our herds. We just had a family meeting with everyone. Prices are high right now and it's a great time to get out. We've ridden out too many of these messes. This time we're going to cash in while it's high and buy back in when the bottom falls out. And it will fall out as soon as those borders are opened.

zekeman · Jan 8, 2005

Mike & Cowboydoc
I posted a more detailed BSE question on that thread Mike gave me- I am a member on CountryByNet. just that site is not as active as this (TBN) site. I'll have to stop by CBN more often and make it more active

Ron

AndyMA · Jan 8, 2005

I've posted this info recently before, but as I am curently running an oil distributor in Mass, at least the facts I'll present are true for our business (and all the other oil distributors who buy from the same bulk tanks in Providence and Boston). Home heating oil (#2) and off road diesel are one and the same and come from the same tank (It is died red to shwo that the road tax has not been paid). It is not an inferior product in any way. On road diesel is a lower sulfur version fo the same product. (It is clear yellow to show the road tax has been paid). Road tax is paid in all 50 states. We also fuel locomotives and they use conventional #2 home heating oil. My company also runs a fairly good size excavation business and the same fuel is run in all of our off road equipment as well as my personal equipment.

Andy

AndyMA · Jan 8, 2005

( I find it ironic that in one thread a guy is getting bashed for not using the correct fuel for his tractor and in proper containers and in this thread we're saying it's ok to use fuel from your hho barrel and fuel that was not meant to be used in a tractor or pickup.
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Richard what you are saying may be true in the midwest, but it is definately not true in New England. #2 home haating oil and off road diesel- one and the same. We have many companies running stationary equipment on #2 home heating oil, thousands of hours a year. It does need to be stored properly and kept clean.

Andy

roccon31 · Jan 8, 2005

( I've posted this info recently before, but as I am curently running an oil distributor in Mass, at least the facts I'll present are true for our business (and all the other oil distributors who buy from the same bulk tanks in Providence and Boston). Home heating oil (#2) and off road diesel are one and the same and come from the same tank (It is died red to shwo that the road tax has not been paid). It is not an inferior product in any way. On road diesel is a lower sulfur version fo the same product. (It is clear yellow to show the road tax has been paid). Road tax is paid in all 50 states. We also fuel locomotives and they use conventional #2 home heating oil. My company also runs a fairly good size excavation business and the same fuel is run in all of our off road equipment as well as my personal equipment.

Andy )

same is true here in southeastern PA, we use heating oil (more commonly called off-road fuel here at the pump) in everything off road. the trucks and pickups get the clear stuff (on-road fuel) at the pumps. the difference here is the sulfur and the road tax. nothing else.

and as far as the sulfur goes, i would much rather have more sulfur in my offorad fuel than not enough. the sulfur is a lubricatn for the pistons and fuel system.

MadReferee · Jan 8, 2005

( at least the facts I'll present are true for our business (and all the other oil distributors who buy from the same bulk tanks in Providence and Boston). Home heating oil (#2) and off road diesel are one and the same and come from the same tank (It is died red to shwo that the road tax has not been paid). )

Same for fuel obtained from the Portland, Maine bulk tanks.

However, some off road fuel comes from upstate NY. My supplier has it trucked in special due to his major clients asking for it. It is high cetane (47 it think) premium dyed diesel.

BobCorazza · Jan 8, 2005

Uhmmm. I had always understood HHO and #2 diesel to be the same, with 2 possible exceptions :
1) HHO is not treated for cold weather (ie:kerosene cut)
2) May not be filtered as well.

That's what I have read & heard over the years... I have no direct knowledge or experience. As a rule I filter my road diesel down to 10u with water separation when going in my 55 gallon drum & when pumped out to fill the tractor. I also have an aftermarket <1u filter/separator on the tractor. If I had the option of convienently acquiring HHO I would not hesitate to use it in my machine.

PineRidge · Jan 8, 2005

I have seen this argument before so when I called my supplier Cambell Oil, back in November to have our bulk tank filled I asked questions. I was told that the only difference between diesel, home heating oil, and off-road diesel was the red dye and of course price.

Don't know if it's the same in all parts of Ohio but I suspect that it is.

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Junkman · Jan 8, 2005

( ...just trying to break the tensions building between Junkman & Cowboydoc 
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There is no tension on my part. I am not angry or in the least disturbed with Cowboydoc. In fact, we have just had a very interesting and civil discussion by PM. I come here for enjoyment, not to fight. If I want to fight, I have a wife that will accommodate me at any time. Just name the subject and time and we can get a good debate going. I respect her opinion, even if she is always wrong... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif