Diesel vs. heating oil

[Archdean]

Us Okies really don't care what you Easterners call it, we just pump it out of the ground!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[PineRidge]

Dean we do thank you for it too, please keep more coming! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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[cup149]

I just got a msg from Kubota concerning the use of the low sulfur onroad fuel (tier 3) to be in placce by 2007. It should not be used in my BX2200, made in the year 2000 (tier 1 engine). I guess I will have to look for an alternitive to buying at the gas station.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">I guess I will have to look for an alternitive to buying at the gas station </font>

No just add powerservice to it and it will be fine. Powerservice adds back in the lubricating properties you get in high sulfur diesel. It only costs $6.99 to treat 300 gallons.

 

[Partsman2]

HHO and #2 diesel are the same in my area (South Central Ohio). I purchase 7500 gal tanker loads. I heat a factory and run my tractor with the same stuff.

For the tractor I always add Power Service additive in the winter months to prevent gelling and boost the cetane level.

The difference is the off road diesel/HHO has red dye in it to show there were no highway taxes paid on it. You can run it in an on-road diesel but don't let the PUCO catch you with it in your tank. They do check it too.

My 2 cents worth.

 

[timb]

My HHO supplier has also stated they are delivering the same fuel to local farms for tractor/equipment use. (FYI - HHO=$1.70/gallon, on-road is $2.25+ at the pump!) Also verified they don't cut with kerosene in the winter - it's always straight #2.

So... assuming you are located in an area where HHO is off-road diesel and vice-versa - what's the best process to use the HHO in the tractor... filtering, additives, preservatives? Anything more than a good filter between the bulk house tank and the small 'tractor stock' tank and a dose of PS or Stanadyne? Draw and dose it now (just had 500 gallons delivered) or wait until it's needed?

 

[graybeard451]

On the both coasts that worry about smog, over the road (clear) diesel is lower sulfur. In the middle of the country, road diesel is the same product without the red color. The stuff they make the color from is not very good for humans either. The real low sulfur stuff will not be out for at least a year. Damage to O-rings normally comes from high levels of aromatics. That is the light end that turns to a gas easily. There is no way to know where the crude oil came from nor were it was refined so you can't tell if it is high or low in aromatics. Racing gasoline is extra high in aromatics. I can't see where sulfur could be much of a lubricant. I do know that moisture in the air combined with low exhaust temperature (short runs) will make sulfurous acid. So I would think lower-sulfur fuel should keep the top end of the engine and the exhaust in better condition. I can't see a reason that either wouldn't work in a tractor. They both have about the same BTU's.

 

[Varmintmist]

Tim, if your HHO is not treated, go get some deisel fuel conditioner and treat it. I dont know if mine was or not, so I got a quart of conditioner and 4 gal of kero. Mixed them up then dumped the kero/cond mix in on top of 150 gal of HHO. In NE PA where I grew up, HHO was treated. Try either a auto parts store and just read the lable and add additive to the amount it says. I like to mix it with something before I dump it in and 4-5 gal of kero wont hurt a thing in 150 gal of fuel oil.

Hasn't gelled yet and the tank is outside. BTW, you really dont want to get your HHO gelled, been there, done that. I think it was Dec of 1979 or 80. Brutal cold. Brrrrrrr

As to using it in the tractor. Go to TSC and get a hand pump, fill er up and go. Thats it.

It is the same stuff. There is a screen on the bottom of the pump that would pick up any big chunks if it is in HHO or On road.

 

[timb]

How fast does #2 'age' (algae or any other problems) - whether untreated or treated with PS, Stanadyne (or I suppose even Sta-Bil is compatible with diesel).

I've got 550 gallons of HHO on site (when full) but once my home insulation project is done - that will last a full year. So eventually it's not going to be fresh as a daisy for use in the tractor. I've been trying to buy the tractor fuel in small batches to keep that supply fresh.

 

[cowboydoc]

We try to never use fuel that is over 1 season old. The extreme temps from one to another are usually what gets algae, condensation, etc. going. Personally I would never use fuel that is a year old in my tractor. About six months, if it's been treated would be the longest I would want to go.